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reply posted on 23-8-2011 @ 07:45 PM by Aim64C
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We've already beat the preceding pages to death. Suffice it to say that the battery charging device does not have me convinced in terms of over-unity effects. One of these days, when I have some money burning a hole in my pocket and have completed my home electronics workbench, I will look into the device more properly, and will probably eat my shirt if it turns out to pass the practical test of "can I start with one battery and charge a hundred batteries without any external power?"

Until then - I honestly don't put much merit in it.

Moving on, to the magnet issue.

Somehow, long ago, we got entropy and force confused. Magnetism is considered a force - but every permanent magnet is governed more by entropic principles than by those of an applied force. A magnetic field seeks to lower the energy state of the system around it - to order it. The magnet and ferrous metals will move toward the magnet. We could really dedicate a whole degree program to the mechanics of magnets and the principles of quantum mechanics that govern them.

Anyway - the point is, once you have a piece of metal attached to a magnet, you must then put energy into the system to separate the magnet and the metal - just as you have to put energy into an object you wish to separate from the Earth. A magnet simply doesn't have "energy" contained within it in any standard sense. Yes, you can "de-magnetize" permanent magnets and draw energy out of them in that fashion, but that's hardly a consideration in normal circumstances. Any energy a magnet appears to have must come from some other part of the environment. As such, it cannot be over-unity or perpetual in any sense of either word.
edit on 23-8-2011 by Aim64C because: corrected an adjective



reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 12:20 AM by overseer1136
reply to post by john_bmth



It is extremely hard to build an "overunity" device. I've tried many times and i find that the best way to harvest power is through Solar Energy thru the day to make hydrogen to burn at night via generator. Magnetic generators work until you place a load on them, magneto flux generators only work to a miniscule degree and then power output degrades exponentially under load/heat. I think Quartz is the best medium for "overunity" but i dont have proof positive yet.


reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 07:02 AM by qmantoo
I used to follow the JoeCell group and it seemed to me that there was a human factor involved which is similar to orgone perhaps? ie: it works for some and it does not work for others - although both devices are the same. Maybe it cannot be reliably reproduced because the physics is not totally understood.

It does seem strange that quite a few of the over unity inventors who have shown cars running on their devices, have either met with strange or sticky ends or have been seriously warned not to continue. The ones who have have regretted it.

There ARE reports in newspapers about cars and trucks which have run on JoeCell-type things and I dont know why these have not been verified. There again, if there is some agency which wants to make sure this technology does not come out, then they seem to have unlimited resources.

It is quite possible that by asking this question of our ATS community that they hope to get some further leads on who is in development. If I was them, I would want to know who to keep an eye on too. Like pretty much everyone else on here, I have come to the conclusion that there are many organisations who just want to control everything.

The other thing I would say is that anyone who is trained in science does not like to admit that science and scientific theory does not have explanations for everything. Some things just cannot be proved with the understanding we currently have of our universe. This is why there are loads of examples of technologies which science does not endorse or acknowledge simply because they cannot get their heads around it and measure it.


reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 02:15 PM by samkent
reply to post by qmantoo



I read the joe cell forums for a while.
Those guys are fishing for shark in a toilet.
The output will always be less than the input. And those videos of cars are faked as well. When ever they are put into a spot where things can be cross checked, there cars always have some sort of problem and cannot be used. It's just a variation of the oldest scam going.
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