...actually own one or made one? Allegedly there are plans on the internet, so making one of these devices would save you tens of thousands of dollars a year in gas and utility bills. What is the excuse for not making one? I'll repost an anecdote I made in another thread about a real case of "something for nothing" that a LOT of people jumped on:

I remember back in the late 90's when plans were put on the net to modify certain PAYG cell phones to get free calls before the provider in question finally fixed the hack. Believe me, people were all over it. You could mod them yourself or buy them modded, with prices ranging from double to triple figures, depending on the entrepreneurial spirit of the modder. The reason they were so prolific was people were getting something for free using a technology that worked. Yet no-one has built one of these so-called "over unity" devices from plans off the internet. Because they don't work. Quite simply, if there were plans for actual, working "over unity" devices on the net, they would be everywhere. This site alone would be buzzing with people swapping tales about how they took their home off the grid, took their parent's home off the grid, sorted their friends out, etc. etc. etc. Word would spread across the net like wildfire. It would become mainstream knowledge overnight. Why has this not happened? Because these so-called "over unity" plans simply do not work. No grand conspiracy here.

So here we have an example of people illegally modding their phones to get free calls. Interestingly enough, even though the mod required little electronics experience, pretty much everyone I knew bought them modded and paid a premium for the privilege rather than do the trivial work themselves, which kinda shoots a hole in the "over unity is suppressed because they're so easy to build that Big Business wouldn't be able to profit from them". A <£5 mod (in materials) sold for double to triple figure sums. The modders made a tidy profit from their enterprise. It wasn't a case of "fringe" types telling anecdotal stories of free phone calls, every day people were actually doing it because it worked. See the difference?

So. Is anyone on these boards who believes in "over unity" devices (and their suppression) actually using one right now? If not, why not?

this is wat ats and the internet needs more of...
guides or ideas to getting what we get charged thru the teeth for, for free.

i know there out there blah blah but why isnt there a facebook or a google type thing?how could it not be more popular?

the internet is free? this is proof its not. its all sensored, everything drip fed, yes maybe a little faster than what we are use to but still eventually having the same outcome,

dumb humans sitting back waiting for it to happen. either to us or to someone we know.

s n f

Originally posted by Glass

The cell phone service provider you mentioned was able to remedy the problem simply by fixing this hack, corporations that rely on conventional power for income would not be able to fix the problem of millions of customers dropping off the grid so easily. Therefore I find it plausible that said corporations might pay some shady agency to suppress any and all plans for free energy devices, whether they are a hoax or not.

The fact of the matter is that before the hack was fixed, people were exploiting it.This proves that if plans for working devices are posted on the net that give people something for nothing, it doesn't remain as anecdotal evidence amongst a group of fringe conspiracy theorists, it actually leaks into widespread use as word of mouth spreads. Yet I see no devices.

In fact, your point further re-enforces my anecdote, simply because fixing the hack was a fairly trivial task for the provider, yet it was still exploited to high heaven before the fix was in place. "Fixing" thousands upon thousands of people using home-built "free energy machines" would not be a trivial case of a software/firmware update, in fact it would be pretty much impossible. The cat would be well and truly out of the bag forever.

You say "I find it plausible that said corporations might pay some shady agency to suppress any and all plans for free energy devices, whether they are a hoax or not", yet posters on this very forum have linked up a plethora of so-called "over unity" plans as a response to people (such as myself) who demand evidence. So where are devices?

Excellent thread, S&F!

Very logical assessment of things... which is why I fear this thread wont get much attention

I've used the same argument in over unity threads before, and supporters won't have it.

There is conflicting statements made by supporters of over unity devices. First of all, they say that the government suppresses all this technology. Fine. I could get behind that. The government and big business is known to do such things. But....

Then they talk about how there are plans for these devices all over the internet. Wait... what? How is there plans for these devices all over the internet if they are being suppressed? It doesn't make any sense. Yet people use this same argument over, and over again. You can't have it both ways, either the government suppressed this technology, and nobody will ever see it anywhere, or the technology is available on the internet. They are exclusive ideas.

So for the people who say the tech is on the web, then please answer the OP's question, why have you not made these devices and freed yourself from the oil cartels grasp over you? This is groundbreaking stuff, and if you really believe in it, put your money where you mouth is.

All it would take is ONE person to build this, take it to a science expo, and let people there check it out. It's extremely easy to test whether or not they are putting out more energy than they are consuming. The, guess what would happen? People there would FREAK OUT! They would all start telling their friends and colleagues, who in turn would tell their friends and colleagues.

You wouldn't even need the internet for this. The idea would spread like crazy, TPTB, Illuminati, CIA, whoever else would NOT be able to stop this. I don't care how powerful you think they are, they can't stop tens of thousands of people all over the planet from spreading this info around. It's just not possible.

So this leads me to two conclusions. One, this technology does not exists, and people have been had. People don't like to be had, so they defend this obviously.

Second, this tech DOES exist, but it IS locked away somewhere and will never see the light of day. In which case, there is NOT going to be "Plans all over the internet" for it. So please people, stop saying that. Because it there was plans all over the internet, like the OP said, this would cover the globe in a day and people would be building these things all over.

I think the idea of "free energy" just isn't ever going to be what people think. Solar, Wind, Geo-Thermal, Hydro, these are all "free energy" in a sense. Once you build the device, you extract power, with no input. That is free energy, right? Yes you have to maintain these things, but you are still extracting energy from something, without putting any "fuel" into the system. How is this any different than all of these supposed Tesla free energy machines out there?

I'll tell you, it's different because they are proven to work and provide us with energy, and are already a part of the energy grid. Why does the Illuminati and Government not suppress Hydro, Solar, Wind, Geo-Thermal energy? They can't make money off that, can they?

In addition, even if there was some device you could put on your table that would produce energy, you are still going to need Oil. We use oil for a TON more things than just fuel for vehicles. Obviously the demand will go down, but there will still be demand.

Also, if such a device was created, it would create a whole new industry. Why don't the oil companies just buy the rights to this technology, and be the only ones to produce and capitalize on it? To power vehicles the world over, enough to reduce the demand on oil, the battery industry would have to EXPLODE. The oil companies could just shift their business to batteries instead of oil. Big corporations are like vultures, they go where the food (or money in this case) is, they aren't just going to give up. They could still make tons of money, maybe even more. You cannot claim to have any knowledge that the oil companies would make less money with these devices, than they would with oil.

I realize my post is long, and I apologize, but this is a complex topic, and anyone that actually cares to be a part of this debate shouldn't have a problem pondering the ideas I have put forth. But sadly I don't think most people care enough, they just want to go around to different threads and call people sheep, disinfo agents, and parrot the whole "there is free energy man, the gubbermint just suppresses it" without providing any logical or factual basis to that argument whatsoever.

I'd like to compare the free energy(over unity) concept with another idea which has been quite popular some time ago, alchemy. To be more specific the search for a method to turn base metals into gold.

Thanks to our scientific progress we are aware of the fact that this is impossible by non nuclear means. And it seems that the majority is accepting this. You wont find many philosophers stones on ebay or recipes to create them in fringe forums. Still I don't see chemistry and nuclear physics as being more simple to grasp than thermodynamics and energy conservation in particular. What is missing here?

If we say that the interest into alchemy vanished after the science demonstrated how to transmutate elements by application of nuclear physics. Is then the reason for believing into free energy(over unity) devices maybe linked to the fact that there is no way to demonstrate that such devices are impossible?

Darn, double post