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(from the news article).
Expressing their concerns about the process, the group of organisations wrote: "We've found that the prospect of IB [incapacity benefit] reassessment is causing huge amounts of distress, and tragically there have already been cases where people have taken their own life following problems with changes to their benefits.
Originally posted by Mike_A
I think you’re clouding a serious subject with needles hyperbole. We must ensure that those who need help get it but we do not have an unlimited budget, to assess those who claim any benefit is not eugenics it is prudent spending policy.
Perhaps these benefits should not be cut but there is evidence to suggest that it should be reassessed to determine whether that is true. It is a fact that claims for incapacity benefit have consistently increased over the past decade; between 2001 and 2007 for example the number of people claiming IB and had been off work for five or more years had increased by around 23%. That is a huge number and not readily explained any natural “inflation”.
Is that perhaps a symptom of a society that is driving people to the edge of their sanity because of the awful experiences they have to go through in Britain nowadays; bullying at work, all the family breakdown, all the injustice of a diseased state. Poor housing, all the crime and violence and lack of services.
What do you want. Do you want me to commit suicide? Do you want me to starve and live an existence full of horro and fear, just because I am not well enough to work in the stress of today's modern world?
Originally posted by LargeFries
reply to post by Revolution9
Change can produce stress for everyday folks. More so for those who live with challenges in their life. Based on experience and observation, many people with mental health issues need a staunch advocate in their life that will help. Simple forms and paperwork may have a very different meaning to someone with health issues. For many daily life is a battle, and medications that are supposed to help have side effects that take a toll.
If you know someone who is in this predicament why not let your charitable side come out? See if they need help. Better sooner than later. Seriously, paperwork and documents are much more menacing for some than others. Still deadlines have to be met and there are less hassles if folks get their papers in on time.
Best of luck to all those affected.
when in fact it is not even a science and is just a set of forced and indoctrinating values to create a social climate and a way of controlling that social climate.
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Originally posted by Mike_A
If those things had suddenly increased at a rate in line with the number of people claiming benefits then perhaps but as far as I know that is not the case, for example services have increased and crime has fallen.
At the end of the day we do have a limited budget, there are people claiming benefits that they do not need, there has been an unusual increase in the number claiming benefits and we do have a serious deficit problem.
It might be difficult but we cannot ignore the problem. Denouncing any attempt to address the situation as eugenics is hyperbole and it is far from helpful to the point of being counter productive.