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SOCIAL: Illegal Aliens

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posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:00 PM
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It is time someone addresses illegal aliens. Let it be said that I as a Republican have no problem with immagrants coming into our fine country in a legal citizenship procedure. That is how the US became a 'melting pot' it is the reason for our creation, freedom for all. With that said Im tired of illegals sucking up legal citizens money, jobs, and social program benefits.
 


Democrats:

Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has signed legislation that will allow some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at state colleges and universities, instead of the higher out-of-state rate.

www.washingtontimes.com...
COMMENT: WHY! I am paying out-of-state tuition in Colorado, and I'm from Alabama.

Republicans:

Saying rigorous screening standards would ensure recipients ''won't be terrorists,'' Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday strongly endorsed issuing state driver's licenses to both illegal immigrants and foreign nationals who make Florida home for part of the year.

www.miami.com...
COMMENT: If they have jobs, and want to be citizens OK, but they better be properly screened, not randomly screened. You can do a lot of things with a US drivers license.

Democrat:

"Immigration is not a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution to everyone and anyone in the world who wishes to come to the United States. It is a privilege granted by the people of the United States to those whom we choose to admit."
-- Former Democratic congresswoman, the late Barbara Jordan of Texas (who chaired a presidential immigration commission in the 1990s)

www.americasvoices.org...
COMMENT: I actually agree with this point, we have the right to turn away 'undesirables' those who are unable to provide for themselves and only wish to leach the American public.

Alpine Survival Group

The number of Illegal aliens crossing America's borders exceeds outright warfare 'invasion' levels! The costs of providing healthcare, food, housing, the costs of drug related crimes and increased law enforcement, hit the US tax payer with multiple billions of dollars annually. Added to that, Illegal aliens sent 11-Billion tax-free dollars back to Mexico in 2003. American tax payers picked up the tab!

www.alpinesurvival.com...
COMMENT: This group represents the extreme of this issue and I included it only to show a diverse opinion on the matter.

As you can see Democrats are much more open to allowing anyone to enter the country. Republicans however, seem to be giving more rights to them as well. In my opinion, if they come into the country, go about getting gainful employment, and start the process of citizenship, fine let them stay. If they come here only to evade their own country and feed off what the US providing for its poor and broken, then they should be exported. Please post other parties philosophy on this issue and try not to make it a thread full of racism or hatespeak between parties. Im not a racist I just think you should go through the correct channels to be allowed in the US.







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posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:11 PM
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BUSH: Supports a broad sweeping amnesty for aliens currently in the US.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is calling upon the Bush Administration to reject recommendations to grant legalization to an estimated one to two million Mexican illegal aliens living in the United States. The organization charges that under both Republican and Democratic administrations, the federal government has ignored its responsibilities to enforce immigration laws, and that the amnesty proposals being offered compound the government's malfeasance.

www.fairus.org...

KERRY: Almost the same stance, amnesty for working aliens.

Kerry's statements and voting record indicate that he supports a radical agenda of amnesty for illegal aliens. Central to Kerry's immigration policy is his support of citizenship for illegal aliens who have "obeyed the law." According to Kerry, "I am in favor of 'earned legalization' for those people who are here now, who have obeyed the law, are working, have paid their taxes, stayed out of trouble. Under the circumstances, we should be converting people to citizenship." ("A Closer Look at the Candidates," NPR October 28, 2003). Kerry must not understand that people who are here "illegally," have already broken the law.

www.renewamerica.us...



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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I have very little problem with people coming into our country legally as long as they try to learn English. I don't like illegeal immigration. They basically end up getting all kinds of free benefits that cost countless tax dollars to pay for. My stance is if you want to live in the USA wait in line like everybody else. I think the idea of Bush giving benefits to illegal Mexican immigrants is kind of stupid. Its all about getting Hispanic votes.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:25 PM
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It isnt just Bush, the issue has been ignored by both Bush and Kerry. If you read my second post you will see each has the same stance. They want to grant amnesty to all those aliens in the country now that have jobs, and can provide proof they are gainfully employed, this means not illegally employed 'under the table'. I dont like this idea, it will only incite more aliens coming into the country.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:30 PM
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I remember Bush wanted to pass some law that would grant amnesty or something to immigrants. I think this happened earlier this year. I'll try to find a link when I can.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:42 PM
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If these "aliens" which are just regular people like you and me, don't have a criminal record and they can prove they've held jobs before what's the problem?

How can you prove that they are sucking off the welfare system if they can't even get a s.s.n without registering.
The majority of mexican who come here start out by being illegal, they will work in landscaping businesses, farming, cleaning, land fill, all the jobs that are really undesirable... They don't care, anything to get away from the hot #ty place they lived in before, they know what it's like to be oppressed and live in a screwed up economy, they don't want it, they want to be free and if that means working low rent jobs, so be it, freedom overcomes any other desire.

I would like to see a study that points out they are sucking off the welfare system. If anybody is sucking off the welfare system it's the "disenfranchised" living in the inner cities.





posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:05 PM
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Cyberdude: I posted that link above.

Truelies: I agree, MOST Mexicans indeed do come in illegal, get jobs, than become legal, I dont like that they come in illegal but conceed that at least they work to become legal. Im not only refering to Meaxicans, they do indeed get the most hype, but are not the only ones coming in.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:11 PM
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Sorry zsandmann, I didn't quite recoginize the bill. Although many illegal immigrants eventually become legal I would prefer that they start off legal.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:30 PM
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The problem with becoming legal first is that it takes so damn long. There is no garantee the INS can grand you legal immigration status within a year, the lineups are ridiculous, and the whole idea of making a person legal is just weird.

Where did we ever get the idea that people need to become legal? I know this sounds off base or whatever, but birth certificated pretty much tell you that you are now a government employee s.s.n and all.

People want to make their own lives without government intervention.

Especially people living in less then desirable living conditions, who wants to wait for a government to grant them legal immigration when they can get away from it right then and now and start working for some company under the table and live in a country that will help you do that?
Who are we to even tell some other human being to wait to live their lives because they have to get a stupid piece of paper that says "nonimmigrant visa" after paying thousands of dollars to go through the whole immigration proceedings?? Really who are we to demand that from another human being who just wants to live?

Like I said, if they don't have a criminal history and can prove they can hold a job and take care of themselves grant them their nonimmigrant visa right away but alot of this immigration politics has to do with making more money for the government.
There are so many steps in the immigration processing, each step costs hundreds of dollars.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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Well we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if the Mexican goverment would actually take care of its own people. They actually have been seen assisting people to get into the US.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:41 PM
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See what happens when you get a government that thinks they can take care of everybody and everything??? Socialism doesn't work.

See what happens to people when they live in socialist country? They leave.

Look at Cubans-Chinese-Russians-Hungarian-Slovanians- Iranians-Syrians-Checkoslovakian's, ect....

It doesn't work.

And American's are footing the bill...

And immigrants have to pay a hefty price if they want to be free. Probably more money then they've seen in their lives.
I wonder if thats part of the reason Mexicans cross the desert.



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