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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 07:49 AM
Called finding the similarities:

... ascended to the throne amidst a financial crisis; the state was nearing bankruptcy and outlays outpaced income.[6] This was because of (...) financial obligations stemming from involvement in the (...) War and its participation in the (...) War.[7] In May (...), finance minister (...) was dismissed, after he failed to enact reforms. The next year, (...), a foreigner, was appointed Comptroller-General of Finance. He could not be made an official minister because he was a Protestant.[8] (...) realized that the country's extremely regressive tax system subjected the lower classes to a heavy burden,[8] while numerous exemptions existed for the nobility and clergy.[9] He argued that the country could not be taxed higher; that tax exemptions for the nobility and clergy must be reduced; and proposed that borrowing more money would solve the country's fiscal shortages

This is the prelude of a major revolution, I'm curious to know if you know which one I'm talking about, but more importantly is the awful lot of similarities between this prelude and the current situation in the US. The Iraq and Afghanistan war have brought the US economy down to its knees while the rich are largely exempted from taxation and the lower classes pay the price to finance their corruption.

If you look at this, you come to understand little has changed.

edit on 31-5-2011 by Mdv2 because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 31 2011 @ 07:52 AM
reply to post by Mdv2

Damn, I cannot remember the guy's name, although I think he was a Scot (Robert Turgot)
and appointed Finance Minister to France just before the Revolution. Made his fortune and did a runner.

For reference, I obtained this information from the book "Gods of Eden".

So, am I right or wrong?
edit on 31/5/2011 by TheLoneArcher because: Remembered the guys name. LOL

posted on May, 31 2011 @ 07:53 AM
aka French Revolution. If I am not mistaken, it was after an "experiment" with FIAT currency, as well.

EDIT: It may have been after, according to this:

Fiat Money -France — Livres, Assignats, and Francs

The French have been particularly unsuccessful in their attempts with fiat money.

John Law was the first man to introduce paper money to France. The notion of paper money was greatly helped along by the passing of Louis XIV and the 3 billion livres of debt that he left.

When Louis XV was old enough to make his own mistakes, he required that all taxes be paid in paper money. The currency was backed by coinage…until people actually wanted coins.

The theme of the day…the new paper currency rapidly became oversupplied until nobody wished to own the worthless junk anymore and demanded coinage for their currency.

Oops. It looks like Law didn’t think that anyone would actually want coins ever again. After making it illegal to export any gold or silver, and the failed attempts by the locals to exchange their paper currency for something of actual value, the currency collapsed.

John Law became the most hated man in France and was forced to flee to Italy.

In the latter part of the 18th century, the French government again tried to give paper money another go. This time, the pieces of garbage they issued were called assignats. By 1795, inflation of assignats was running at approximately 13,000%. Oops.Then Napoleon stepped on the scene and brought with him the gold franc. One of the good things that Napoleon realized is that gold is the way of a stable currency, and that’s what pretty much ensued during his reign.

After Waterloo had come and gone, the French gave it another go in the 1930s, this time with the paper franc. It took only 12 years for them to inflate their currency until it lost 99% of its value. History has proven a couple things about the French: 1) They are quick to surrender and 2) They are very talented at making worthless currency.


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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 07:56 AM
reply to post by Mdv2

French Revolution

Long way off here. Americans aren't just asleep at the wheel. They're unconscious.

The only thing that might cause a revolution in the US would be the interruption of regularly scheduled television programming.

Not that I want revolution, btw.

Revolution is bad. Very bad.

There are often few winners.
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 08:09 AM
reply to post by TheLoneArcher

Yes, it was John Law, just like alyoshablue pointed out above and eventually contributed to the French revolution.

A splendid comparison by The Economist of the pre-revolution financial crisis of France vs the current US crisis:

“IF FIVE hundred millions of paper had been of such advantage, five hundred millions additional would be of still greater advantage.” So Charles Mackay, author of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, described the “quantitative easing” tactics of the French regent and his economic adviser, John Law, at the time of the Mississippi bubble in the early 18th century. The Mississippi scheme was a precursor of modern attempts to reflate the economy with unorthodox monetary policies. It is hard not to be struck by parallels with recent events.

Law was a brilliant mathematician who used his understanding of probability to help his gambling habit. Escaping from his native Scotland after killing a rival in a duel, he made friends with the Duke of Orleans, the regent of the young king Louis XV.

The finances of the French government were in a terrible mess. Louis XIV had spent much of his long reign fighting expensive wars. Tax collection was in the hands of various agents, who were more concerned with enriching themselves than the state. Not only was the monarchy struggling to pay the interest on its debt, there was also a credit crunch in the form of a shortage of the gold and silver coins needed to fund economic activity.

Law’s insight was that economic activity could be boosted by the use of paper money that was not backed by gold and silver. He was well ahead of his time.

Establishing confidence in a new monetary system was the trickiest part. Law had the benefit of working for an absolute monarchy which could decree that taxes should be paid in the form of notes issued by his new bank, Banque Générale. He also believed, having observed the success of the Dutch in exploiting the spice trade in the East Indies, that France could use paper money to develop its colonial possessions. Hence the Mississippi scheme, under which Law created the Compagnie d’Occident to exploit trade opportunities in what is now the United States. The money raised from these share issues was used to repay the government’s debts; on occasion, Law’s bank lent investors the money to buy shares.

Turn this into modern economic jargon and Law could be described as creating a stimulus package for French economic activity. But rather than rescuing sunset industries such as carmaking, Law was an early venture capitalist, financing the dynamic potential of the Mississippi delta.

The problem was that the delta was a mosquito-infested swamp. According to Niall Ferguson, a historian, 80% of the early colonists died from starvation or disease. Even though the company had monopolies over things like tobacco, it had little chance of generating enough income to fund the dividends Law had promised.

So a vicious circle was created, in which a growing money supply was needed to bolster the share price of the Mississippi company and a rising share price was needed to maintain confidence in the system of paper money. You can see parallels with recent times, in which money was lent on the back of rising asset prices, and higher prices gave banks the confidence to lend more money.

When the scheme faltered Law resorted to a number of rescue packages, many of which have their echoes 300 years later. One was for the bank to guarantee to buy shares in the Mississippi company at a set price (think of the various government asset-purchase schemes today). Then the company took over the bank (a rescue along the lines of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). Finally there were restrictions on the amount of gold and silver that could be owned (something America tried in the 1930s).

All these rules failed and the scheme collapsed. Law was exiled and died in poverty. The French state’s finances stayed weak, helping trigger the 1789 revolution. The idea of a “fiat” currency was perceived to be the essence of recklessness for another two centuries and the link between money and gold was not fully abandoned until the 1970s, when the Bretton Woods system expired.

Of course, the parallels with today are not exact. Law’s system took just four years to collapse; today’s fiat money regime has been running for nearly 40 years. The growth in money supply has been less excessive this time. Technological change and the entry of China into the world economy have generated growth rates beyond the dreams of 18th-century man. But one lesson from Law’s sorry tale endures: attempts to maintain asset prices above their fundamental value are eventually doomed to failure.


posted on May, 31 2011 @ 08:20 AM
okay so now that we know
it was the French Revolution...

SO who's bringing the
Guillotine to the District of Columbia

sooner is better than later

posted on May, 31 2011 @ 08:22 AM
reply to post by spoonbender

Now, there is a moot point. Did anyone know that the prototype for the Guillotine was designed in Yorkshire England?

posted on May, 31 2011 @ 10:12 AM
If not a revolution, certain social chaos. The United States is currently still borrowing large sums of money sufficient to keep the populace 'unconscious' as one put it above with welfare payments. Wait until some real austerity measures come in and then we'll see a big backlash from the hardest affected communities.

posted on May, 31 2011 @ 03:13 PM
its all a shell game. the end is coming very soon. I can feel it in my bones

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:57 AM
There ain't gonna be a revolution. They'll launch a false flag before that happens and then the gullible will gladly accept drafts to "defend" their country. Revolt averted.

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