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Adam Kokesh Body Slammed for Dancing at Jefferson Memorial

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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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That's a heck of a position to take. Let's adopt laws and statutes to make everybody comfortable and conform, let's not shake things up and "do things in places and at times where we know we're not supposed to" or "we'll be punished for being bad little boys and girls" is that about the gist of it? And while you're enjoying what you believe to be freedom now sitting in your living room, telling people it isn't respectful? to dance at a memorial right now, you very well could be sitting behind FEMA camp fences 10 years from now thinking to yourself how if you had only championed freedom totally instead of worrying about what was good, and nice, and respectful.



about the first 2:06 is the part I wanted everyone to see.




Yes I totally went there and the reference fits perfectly.
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Expo, here is an interesting point. I am going to harp on Kent State again to prove your point and mine too. In Kent State, the agenda of SDS and the Weathermen, and whatever other communist agitators were involved, their stated motive is to oppose fascism and Capitalist Imperialism, and to do this they are willing to use guns, starting fires and riots, and also to break rules. This is anarchy style. Bill Ayers got really smart and decided a good way to promote communism was to teach it in the schools, so he has spent decades since the 70's indoctrinating the youth into the communist way. Bill Ayers got his man in the WH now. Now comes Code Pink pretending to be for human rights, but was nowhere to be found when the Iranian revolution was happening. Did you ever hear of any sightings of Medea when the Iranian students were being shot at? Guess where Code Pink was before or during the Egypt revolution? In Tahrir square. Note this is a revolution which sought to eliminate a pro Western guy.
This woman is not interested in guaranteeing our individual liberties or she would not be seen having her pic with a notorious Socialist, Hugo Chavez.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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I agree with you to an extent, however I must admit I need more knowledge on the specific topic of Kokesh, and on Code Pink before I can intelligently comment on them. So I will defer to you for now and say this, that using subversive underhanded tactics in order to start revolutions may seem pretty bad and all or most of us would probably not agree with those tactics. However if the revolution really is sorely needed then does it matter why it happens? I'm just postulating and pondering this myself. In the realm of politics and maneuvering has either side been the "good" guys or the "bad" guys, or is it just about the perspective? I am actually not making any judgments at this time just observations.

How can we as Americans many of whom have probably never left the country and are never going to make intelligent decisions and have intelligent and accurate perspective in countries we really know nothing about, from halfway across the world? Yet as the "Police Action Nation" we stick our noses in constantly, force democracy down everyone's throat, when our own system is imposing more and more impositions and restrictions on our freedoms on a darn near daily basis at this point. So are code pink and GreenPeace, and the NAACP, and the ACLU, and the NRA being sheisty and using political maneuvering to get their agenda across? Of course it's been going on since the beginning of time we're just at an unparalleled time in our technological evolution where we have the ability to keep track of these bozos and their actions now, thank God.

So maybe this time we should make sure that when the history books are written their isn't a "good" guy, "bad" guy scenario painted because we know deep down almost everybody was dirty.
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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After this I'm clearing the floor unless I'm quoted or replied to. LOL



Thomas Jefferson has these things to say, and these are quotes mind you.



"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."





"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."




"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."





"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (adminstrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery."


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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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I guess I didn't grow up in the same neighborhood. Where I come from if a police officer tells you to do it then you damn well better do it. It's been that way my whole life. I have my doubts that this paradise people speak of ever existed. What you are now experiencing is what poor people have always experienced.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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I'll tell you a story about myself, I am in a small town and I am relatively poor as well according to the poverty level the state has set based on income. I am a taxi driver, at the point of the story I have been driving for apprx. 6 months and all of a sudden the police start cracking down on all of the taxi drivers and companies about stopping in the middle of the road to pick people up! (The Square -which is downtown is only one lane and almost never has any parking) We're all looking around at each other like What the.....? It's ridiculous we are not usually "blocking traffic" for more than 30 seconds at the most what's the big deal? Ok so we leave it alone and do the best we can like most people would do....after all they are the police what can be done? Well I got into a situation one night where someone walked in front of me as I was turning onto the square from a side street, I then was required by traffic law to stop and not endanger or injure that pedestrian, he and a group of his friends then proceeded to get in. All the while I'm slightly blocking the road and there is no traffic, other than one police car that pulls up and can't get by, sitting there about 15-20 seconds I get blue lighted. He storms up to the vehicle and says HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD NOT TO BLOCK THE ROAD WHILE PICKING PEOPLE UP?? HUH HOW MANY TIMES???? I SHOULD WRITE YOU!!!!, I say whoa actually I haven't ever been told anything up til now, I've never even been pulled over in a taxi, he then storms back to his car and turns his light back off.

I was okay for a few minutes but the more I thought about it the more I became infuriated with the situation to the point where I actually called dispatch and proceeded to tell the dispatcher what happened and asked her opinion. She said she really "wasn't supposed to comment" but that she'd be pretty irritated too if it happened the way that I said. I then told the nice lady that she could relay to the rest of the officers on duty that if I was stopped and written a ticket for obstructing traffic while picking people up, if they so much as had a hand on the door handle or walked in front of me beforehand I would be gladly suing the hell out of the department and the officer, because the endangerment, injury, or death of a pedestrian in traffic law trumps obstruction of traffic any day.

My taxi company suffered for about 48-72 hours they pulled over more of our drivers for pointless nonsense during that time than ever before, the owner then siding with me went to the mayor and the mayor explicitly told the police chief to tell his officers to leave our company the hell alone! It has been a nonissue since that time.

I'm not saying everything always works out that easily but what I'm saying is sometimes you have to put them in their place and deal with some consequences in order for the greater good to be served.
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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Dragon, thank you for your very eloquent and well thought out response. If I wasn't aware of Code Pink and their agenda, I would have fallen into the category of outrage at the arresting over dancing, and the body slamming. Kokesh supports ron Paul, and I believe he is genuinely interested in Libertarian ideals. Code Pink may believe in "democracy", but according to anti-American ideals. Remember, when people throw around the word "democracy", the hidden agenda is usually Socialism(but not always). Democracy can be "mob rule". Is that what our Founding Fathers espoused? No, they did not because they knew that just because a majority may believe one thing doesn't mean it's the right thing. Our system is really a representive Republic. Unfortunately, our representatives have been sold out to Democratic Socialism and/or crony Capitalism.
And by they way, Code Pink is on the George Soros funded orgs. Soros definitely has communist/socialist roots. Remember, he confiscated wealth from Jews in Germany, and stated in an interview he has no remorse. He has deliberately trashed more than one economy, including America's.
Anyone who knowingly works with Soros is off my Christmas card list. They get coal in their stockings.




posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by DragonSpirit2I'm not saying everything always works out that easily but what I'm saying is sometimes you have to put them in their place and deal with some consequences in order for the greater good to be served.
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I grew on an island so you could say that I was somewhat sheltered myself, but I knew the routine. You don't piss off the police. When I came to the big city schools had bars, gates, metal detectors, and police officers. I grew to know the routine very well and how to act. As I grew out of that and into the streets I learned how to behave and coexist. I've always known that they would build upon these things. It did not stop in the schools and now I see that same treatment that was extended to us hoodlums at public schools applied to the airports. Pretty soon our sporting events and eventually everyday life. I learned to adapt a long time ago it was made crystal clear to me. It's just difficult for me all of these years later for people to be shocked or outraged by these types of things. Where were you when your children told you that they were treated this way? You're upset about a body slam? I don't even know how to react to that it's what I would chalk up as another day. If I saw that I might tell somebody that I saw a really awesome body slam when some guy wouldn't obey a police officer. One thing I would never expect is for all of my friends to go, "OMFG I can not believe this!" That just would not happen. As I said they must have grown up in a different neighborhood. Where I grew up it's just a big game we call life. The smart people stay out of jail and out of the system. You won't catch one of us trying to dance in this type of situation he is lucky he didn't get maced, tazed, and body slammed.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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I have lost all faith in this country.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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I totally understand where you're coming from and a lot of people feel that way. However I always just had a strong distaste for injustice ever since I was young and I was the same I conformed and blended in, never got in fights, never really got in major trouble once I got into high school. However I can still easily recognize and be silently outraged by injustice and was, but I was trying to keep my head down and not get into trouble.

Then as I got into my early twenties I started not caring about keeping my head down, my philosophy is this, I have no criminal record, I am an upstanding citizen, I have just as much clout as anybody else even someone with a badge, and with no prior history of doing anything out of the ordinary to just all of a sudden show up on the radar you usually get off, I know I have played this card and it works most of the time. Either that or you could just play dumb when the time comes, I am a master of spinning responsibility over to someone else or at the very least to distribute responsibility equally among parties, in order to keep my rear out of trouble.

I have a few tricks up my sleeve and you have to basically when you're one of the few people who is or is striving to be a freeman in a Socialist/Republic lol.

However this is the way I see it, you are entrenched in your ability to keep your head down, blend in, and not be noticed, just living your life day in and day out, but obviously you are here on an alternative media website so you are/or have taken steps in the other direction, besides that though if you go through life living like that you make look up finally one day and see your loved ones snatched from your grasp, your job disintegrate with the crumbling economy, your freedoms systematically taken away for a sense of security, and then when you're old and grey you will realize the truth...........That you traded in the best years of your life when you actually had a say so, when things actually still were relatively free and you squandered them, so you could feel more comfortable at the time, and you will realize you lived no real life at all, you were just another drone in an assembly line full of other drones.....

Mind you I am not insulting here and not saying you are a drone, I always simply make observations and try and stay away from judgments about people.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by expo15
If people want to watch this video and come away from it thinking, "oh my God, I can't believe they were arrested for dancing, that it is stupid" I can totally understand that. I think it's silly, but the cops are just enforcing the way they are told to.

However, I find it really discouraging that people watch this video and come away from it thinking that it's a case of police brutality. Don't be so credulous. How many times on here do people rip the mainstream media for presenting a distorted view of events? Well, guess what? Adam Kokesh and his band of goonies are doing the exact same thing in this video.


So you do not think it is police brutality when a cop slams a nonviolent, non-resisting, nonthreatening person to the concrete and then grabs him by the throat?? That is normal acceptable behavior and procedure?

I hope you are not serious.

The guy was not putting up a fight, he was NOT resisting anything, he got thrown to the ground and choked. That is NOT right, and it is not a "distorted" view, 'cause it clearly shows what happened without an edit....

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End note: i will clarify, it wasn't about "dancing" per se, it was about dancing as determined to be "demonstrating" by the court (with which i do NOT agree), but that is NOT the point, it is how the cops handled it.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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And just so you know I lost faith in this country a while back but yet I still continue to try and make an impression on sites like this one hoping to possibly show the dissenters a point that will atleast make them stop and think.

I will continue to do so until I leave....[sighs]...Yes sadly I see no change occurring quickly enough to really make a difference, I am about to be starting a career, I went to school for it and it is not just another job, I will be working for myself, and through this new income I will start saving and when I have saved enough money....if things are relatively the same or worse, I will be leaving this country for Ecuador.

I initially intended on retiring there, but the more and more I read about how things are handled out there if the people aren't happy with the government is how things should be here, but they are not and we are supposed to be "THE" country based on liberty, we were "THE" model for these types of things, but not lately.

There was a story out of Ecuador in the last few years about the people of a particular area having just finished slaving over this water pipeline to distribute clean drinking water and sewage and irrigation to the area, the government then decided to step in after offering no help before and vote on whether they were going to be taking control of the pipeline from the people regardless if that's what the people wanted or not. The people were furious, started blocking off major highways and blockading so that no one could get in or out of the city effectively cutting everyone off in order to prove to the government a point, that they and not the government were in control. The government getting angry at the gutsy rebels sent police with tear gas and riot gear in to quell the uproar. The police ended up getting captured, stripped down to their skivvies, taken to the townhall nearest them, the rebels then had one of the local news outlets come in to film the police as they were doused with ice water and beaten with thorn branches while atleast half naked. This was done it was said to show the police that they had better not come after people like that because the people were in control of the people and the police were said to be sworn to protect the people not do the government's bidding, and so it was said they had better remember.....who they serve!!!

I love this logic, and there are over 2 million expats or ex U.S. citizens or citizens of similar democracies that have either retired there, or were tired of the lies our current Democratic predicament puts on us.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by Annee
How many times must it be repeated. They did not have a protesting permit. Dancing is illegal at the memorial.

The truth of how it all went down have been posted.

But some of you just keep "creating your own movie".


So when the law says you should jump of a roof you will be the first one off? Neat.
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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

How many times must it be repeated. They did not have a protesting permit. Dancing is illegal at the memorial.

The truth of how it all went down have been posted.

But some of you just keep "creating your own movie".


You know, i always thought (peaceful) protest and assembly (especially in public place when it does not impede or obstruct anything (as was this case) was a RIGHT, not something that the government must PERMIT one to do.

By your logic, the government will eventually have to "permit" you to do anything that was once a right, or else suffer their wrath.

I am sure THAT was the intent of the founders and purpose of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the FIRST AMENDMENT.


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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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I understand your point. There should be a level of respect at these memorials. But in this video I didn't see where their dancing was disrespecting the spirit of Thomas Jefferson.

Here's a memorial I visited last summer www.koreanwar-educator.org...

Although you can't see it in the picture, this memorial is within the same boundaries of a large city park. Children go there to play, roller skate, families hold picnics and play music there. College kids congregate there for meetings or coffee. I'm pretty sure that at some point someone has danced there or played loud music. If the police felt it were disrespectful, they would maybe fence it off or not allow it go on.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Unless I'm in a church or other religious institution that says dancing is immoral or whatever, I will dance as I please. Why the hell would the government care where I danced? If dancing is illegal at the Memorial, tell me why!? I will gladly go to jail for disobeying a totally idiotic law. If the government said that I couldn't take two quick breaths right after each other on the streets outside the White House gates, and I really wanted to take two quick breaths, guess what I'd do? Take two quick breaths. Who the hell is the government to tell me where I can and cannot dance? With all the crap going on in the US and around the world, where/when did our official representatives have the time to ban dancing in certain areas?

I can see it now.

Democrat from Ohio: "By george, I saw a couple dancing outside in their lawn on Sunday night at midnight. They were doing the salsa!"

*Gasps in the Senate*

Republican from Texas: "Golly gee, your right! I saw the same thing two weeks ago. A young couple waltzing! It's some kind of infestation. Or a protest!"

*Gasps in the Senate. One old female senator faints*

Intern to Senator: "Excuse me, sir, what about the genocide occurring in XXXX*?

Republican from South Carolina: "Don't you worry your pretty little head off. The genocide is in another country. We have bigger issues to deal with on the homefront."

*Unanimous vote in Senate to officially and legally ban all forms of dancing on lawns after 4 pm.*



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Annee


How many times must it be repeated. They did not have a protesting permit. Dancing is illegal at the memorial.

The truth of how it all went down have been posted.

But some of you just keep "creating your own movie".




Annee? Is Dancing, protesting?

Do you think dancing is illegal (your opinion), at that memorial? If yes, why ?

Some of us keep posting indeed, because HELLO dancing... Bodyslam...



You could say simple, its the law.
Did you had part in this law in the making process? And if you were in gov would you vote for such a law to be installed?

Personally, I think this law can not exist. The people are the law, and the government should fear us.


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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 03:15 AM
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Wat the s*** are these cops doing man, there wearing helmets and tee shirts that say, US Park Police & there arresting people & taking them to the ground for what looks like absolutely nothing ! lol this is just another fat load of iceing to add to the crackdown cake.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours

Originally posted by Annee


How many times must it be repeated. They did not have a protesting permit. Dancing is illegal at the memorial.

The truth of how it all went down have been posted.

But some of you just keep "creating your own movie".




Annee? Is Dancing, protesting?

Do you think dancing is illegal (your opinion), at that memorial? If yes, why ?

Some of us keep posting indeed, because HELLO dancing... Bodyslam...



You could say simple, its the law.
Did you had part in this law in the making process? And if you were in gov would you vote for such a law to be installed?

Personally, I think this law can not exist. The people are the law, and the government should fear us.


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No it's not her opinion it is illegal and a link to the law has already been posted in this thread.




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