Australia needs a revolution

reply to post by B.Morrison


So, more protests.

That would be the place to start for sure.

More marches on parliament?

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Travlla

 

put it this way,a revolution i do not agree with or want any part of comes down my street ,burning cars and trashing people's property,i will protect my property with lethal force, yes the first revolutionary who steps onto my or my neighbours property will get both barrels,

Why does everyone associate revolutions with violence??

Was the industrial revolution violent?

Yes there was violence in the industrial revolution,

Luddites Main article: Luddite The Leader of the luddites, engraving of 1812 The Great Chartist Meeting on Kennington Common, 1848 The rapid industrialisation of the English economy cost many craft workers their jobs. The movement started first with lace and hosiery workers near Nottingham and spread to other areas of the textile industry owing to early industrialisation. Many weavers also found themselves suddenly unemployed since they could no longer compete with machines which only required relatively limited (and unskilled) labour to produce more cloth than a single weaver. Many such unemployed workers, weavers and others, turned their animosity towards the machines that had taken their jobs and began destroying factories and machinery. These attackers became known as Luddites, supposedly followers of Ned Ludd, a folklore figure. The first attacks of the Luddite movement began in 1811. The Luddites rapidly gained popularity, and the British government took drastic measures using the militia or army to protect industry. Those rioters who were caught were tried and hanged, or transported for life.
Unrest continued in other sectors as they industrialised, such as agricultural labourers in the 1830s, when large parts of southern Britain were affected by the Captain Swing disturbances. Threshing machines were a particular target, and rick burning was a popular activity. However the riots led to the first formation of trade unions, and further pressure for reform.

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reply to post by LightAssassin


Collingwood? I don't follow AFL.

I don't know, it's sooooooooooooooooo cold right now and I only come alive in the summer !!!

* All Blacks supporter here

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

So, more protests.

That would be the place to start for sure.

More marches on parliament?

sounds good & makes sense but I'm a bit divided on that one: on the one hand I doubt it would do anything, on the other hand maybe we've just never had enough people on the streets at the same time before...

on a similar tangent imagine what an Australian S.O.A.D or R.A.T.M could do for rallying Australians together for a common cause...J.B.T tried with 'say no to nuclear power' but I don't think it really worked so well... maybe because not all his songs are political or his music too niche or his fans to laid back... somehow I think if we could associate 'fun & good' things with 'giving a crap & paying attention' it could help...

-Bob

P.S) then maybe if miranda kerr & the woman from BB who landed the job at ZOO mag promoted the ideas it could encourage some of the less interested... I dunno but I think there's always a way to get your message heard.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Sweet, neither am I actually. I follow football, the round ball game.

Yes a peaceful revolution is great in theory,but I'm guessing the people involved in the protests/riots at the 2000 World Economic Forum summit at Melbourne's Crown Casino. and the Melbourne G20 protests in 2006,would get involved,good luck with a non violent revolution,

As soon as the general public see crap like this you lose their support,

reply to post by Travlla


I know, we're fudged really. The powers that be have played their hands well. No doubt look at every situation and focus on turning it into their advantage.

In fact thinking about it, Libya is a front for the US/Europe to gain a major energy export at a very cheap price. So for the US to get in, the people had to rise up...connection? Similar is happening in Syria...and I wonder how long until Iran does. Which are the real ones and which have hidden agendas? The Saudi King opened his coffers to the people...this is probably all connected. Have we been sucked into thinking we can even have freedom and choice?

What is freedom and choice?

It's the illusion that mankind suffers from. Even when gained...it's not really gained.

reply to post by B.Morrison


I think the awareness is increasing though, through shows like Hungry Beast are helping that, did you catch the beast file on Hazelwood power station?

Nasty stuff.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

I think the awareness is increasing though, through shows like Hungry Beast are helping that, did you catch the beast file on Hazelwood power station?

Nasty stuff.

whoa crap! totally forgot, thanks for the reminder, I'll download it now & get back to you on that one I might start a thread if i gets enough of a reaction from me

peace,
-Bob

Well I'll flag this thread. Look where I live, moved here from Sydney three years ago to work for our government. But hey, I'm not happy with the situation either, its a struggle. Costs of living are going up and its not just the government, it is the banks and corporations.

Now what i would like to know is, why so much outrage from the general public when Rudd suggested a profits tax on mining companies? Probably due to the fact that most people just simply hate the Labor party. It would of meant revenue coming into the public purse without all those precious metals leaving our grounds and the money going overseas or into the pockets of the few. All for what? A little more employment - temporarily, that is until the mininig booms settles and we have nothing to show for it.

It is a two-tier (or more) economy. So while these areas and mining proprieters and those with invested interests are making a boatload of money, the rest of the economy is struggling - and hard. Ask a lot of small businesses how they are faring. Not too good. Thank you - banks!

Someone suggested we rid Australia of furhter immigration, and while their may be some truth to this, and I agree largely, it is actually businesses crying out for skilled workers to fill the 'skills gap'. Why? Well because we don't train and / or educate our own people anywhere near enough and instead make it increasingly difficult for someone to acquire tertiary education - usually just a foot-in to many of these skilled jobs. A lot of unskilled labor jobs are no longer around anymore, and the jobs that are, really don't pay well and most Australians don't want to work in these jobs, and I personally don't blame them.

I had former family who owned his own plumbing business. He got completely swallowed up by big companies who hire newly arrived immigrants who will work their bloody asses off for much less without as much as a wimper. Some of these people can work a lot harder and have the resilience to do so because they come from much poorer, or otherwise less opportune countries, and will gladly work harder, longer and for less. Australians cannot keep up this performance.

The country may not see a revolution any time soon, but I would expect sooner or later, some European style protests - if things continue the way they are. The bubble has to break sooner or later.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Thats ok.....so do both my sons (one 4 Liverpool and the other is Real Madrid)

but during our matches it's house rule they wear their All Blacks jerseys or they don't get dinner

reply to post by surrealist


A thought for the NZ tradies who receive on average 30% less than their Aussie cousins

watch them jump the ditch over the coming months; I think by next year there should be enough of us over here to have our own independant state......

Peaceful protest don't seem to do any good. I was at the no carbon tax rallies I suppose we got heard but not enough, the media and government called us extremist and the government is still pushing for the tax. I'm not saying violence is the answer either.
I think we need to make a stand, I think we should stop paying our taxes send the government broke like they are doing to us until an election is called. That's really the only thing we can do that will get some attention, hit them where it hurts.

reply to post by wycky


Except our taxes are paid automatically before we get our pay cheques

An Australian revolution or NSW winning a State of Origin series, which is more likely?

reply to post by NadaCambia


No more chance than cleaning up our drinking water

I refer to my previous comment.....WE'RE FUDGED.

I'm thinking about getting the boss to pay my taxes to me, and I'll say that I will do my own taxes...only not. I wonder how much extra money I would earn....I'd probably be rich.

reply to post by LightAssassin


A revolution is well needed globally where political figures are corrupted and/or the government run over the people. A real democracy, not a parliamentary democracy. Lives before profit.

Originally posted by wycky
Peaceful protest don't seem to do any good. I was at the no carbon tax rallies I suppose we got heard but not enough, the media and government called us extremist and the government is still pushing for the tax. I'm not saying violence is the answer either.
I think we need to make a stand, I think we should stop paying our taxes send the government broke like they are doing to us until an election is called. That's really the only thing we can do that will get some attention, hit them where it hurts.

unless it was done on mass you'd be arrested & there goes the rest of your life, lived in even worse conditions then before...

what we're attempting here boils down to a campaign. to lead a good campaign & get the support of a nation you need money & a popular face. Just my 2 cent.

we need the people who are doing the dirty work in the hopes that they'll be let in the club to realize they will never be in that club & instead start working for us - the general public.

-Bob

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

I think the awareness is increasing though, through shows like Hungry Beast are helping that, did you catch the beast file on Hazelwood power station?

Nasty stuff.

just watched it today - Hazlewood has to go, even the proposed closure for 09 was leaving it too late imho, leaving it until 2032 is unacceptable.

the gina rineheart was disturbing too, that woman needs counseling or something, happy people don't do things that cause others suffering.

peace,
-Bob