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(to reel you in) Nibiru confirmed by scientists and other smart people!!!!!!!...(kinda)

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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Sitchin was one of many who has, and still is, de-cyphering the cuneiform script writings left to us by this ancient, high technological civilization.


Nope, he's dead.

... and both the Sumerian and Babylonian societies were what we consider bronze age, not high tech.

Nibiru in Sumerian was the "crossing" place (i.e: like a river crossing).

In Babylonian astronomy, it was the highest point of the ecliptic (the summer solstice was when the Earth is at the highest point of the ecliptic).

Sitchin himself is not considered an authority on translation of Sumerian. His interpretation of the Enuma Elish is unique to himself.

Please click and read the links above.
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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Sitchin was one of many who has, and still is, de-cyphering the cuneiform script writings lft to us by this ancient, high technological civilization.

Sitchin died. His so-called translations are bogus.

He claims that they knew of 10 planets. Baloney. So far very little has been found of Sumerian astronomy. The tables we know of are Babylonian, not Sumerian.


Nibiru, as I understand it, is a planet in orbit around a Dark Star, and is most likely a Spaceship, hollowed out and fitted with living quarters, control station, weapons, and so on.

Where did you get this idea? That's not what Sitchin claimed.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist

His so-called translations are bogus.

He claims that they knew of 10 planets. Baloney. So far very little has been found of Sumerian astronomy. The tables we know of are Babylonian, not Sumerian.


Hi Stereologist,

I understand where you are coming from, but I can't agree with either statement.

Yes some of Sitchin's translations are debatable, and certainly some of his perceptions are arguable, but the overall work is the same as my mentor who I've mentioned often here but remain unable to give her details out publicly.

I've been coming to the conclusion that what translations of latter day epic tales exist in university e-records are not from the same series of tablets Sitchin and my mentor worked on. She has always called them the ones "in the too hard basket", and justifies that perspective with saying how society at the time of the findings was far less open to many concepts that these tablets referred to, for example; Bestiality (with pictographs), Promiscuous Females (with pictographs and statuettes), Incest, Rocketry (via detailed descriptions) and even information on the planets of our system and how they came to be where they are, etc. All stuff that was "too hard to fathom" in our culture of the time.

Sorry to be a pain in the butt again



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Again all we have is your word on it that this mentor exists. All we have on it is your word that this unsubstantiated person agrees with Sitchin.

If there was anything whatsoever that supported this claim that:

Rocketry (via detailed descriptions) and even information on the planets of our system and how they came to be where they are, etc.

were in any way plausible, then this material would have come to light.

I simply do not believe that material that someone could use to win a Nobel prize or become famous or get themselves into any university in the world would simply be left in the "too hard" basket.

I find all of this to be "too hard" to believe for a second.

Unless you can provide anything to substantiate these unbelievable claims they will simply have to remain in the realm of tall tales.

As far as tablets showing sex issues or other more mundane affairs I can see that possibility. But face it, there is almost nothing written by the Sumerians about astronomy. Sitchin takes tidbits from 2 distinct cultures and claims it as being from one of them. Then he tosses in a lot of baloney and claims all sorts of nutty stuff that in the end physics reveals as baloney.

Sitchin is a hoaxer.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Hi Stereologist,

I can easily understand your position and perceptions as they are quite standard fare for modern researchers.


Originally posted by stereologist
I simply do not believe that material that someone could use to win a Nobel prize or become famous or get themselves into any university in the world would simply be left in the "too hard" basket.

I find all of this to be "too hard" to believe for a second.


This is where a lot of people struggle for comprehension. There are some people in the research field who do not seek Glory, Fame, Kudos, Nobel Prizes as feathers in their caps... the quiet achievers we can call them. My mentor is one of these humble human beings who is not interested in anything like that, who is happy to live a close to normal life without all the hoopla associated with the work.


Originally posted by stereologist
Unless you can provide anything to substantiate these unbelievable claims they will simply have to remain in the realm of tall tales.


As I said before, when she dies, and if she leaves her work to me then I will give all I have. Until then I can only share my understandings of her work.

And it doesn't worry me if you view these sharings as tall tales because your need for substantiation isn't being met... go ahead, please. Most of what I share here is aimed at the plebs anyway in order to help them break out of their own limitations of thought and perception.

From what the old girl says, she also disliked Sitchin a great deal, for his additions and skewed perceptions.. so I cannot blame you for your current perception there.

Be well mate.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Regardless of what your mentor, if they even exist, thinks or does there are others that must know of this "hard to read" basket. Why don't they reveal the contents?

The tablets have all been recorded were any of your claims even remotely true, then the material would be out.


As I said before, when she dies, and if she leaves her work to me then I will give all I have. Until then I can only share my understandings of her work.

And it doesn't worry me if you view these sharings as tall tales because your need for substantiation isn't being met... go ahead, please. Most of what I share here is aimed at the plebs anyway in order to help them break out of their own limitations of thought and perception.

That's right. A tall tale is just a tall tale and that is all you're providing.

Frankly, it has hoax written all over it.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
A tall tale is just a tall tale and that is all you're providing.

Frankly, it has hoax written all over it.


Thanks Stereologist.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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Sitchin wasn't the only person working on the Sumerian Tablets with the British Museum back in the 70's. As I've said on this site many times, my old mentor was also translating the Tablets in the Museum's "too hard basket" at the same time. She argued with Sitchin a lot about his "additions".. like suspening gold in the Niburian atmosphere. But, they both agreed on Nibiru being a planet with an elongated 3,600 year orbit around our Sun, based on the information they were reading.

The story of Nubiru is a Babylonian story, not Sumerian, tho there might be some truth to the story, but not with these exagerations. Still Nubiru appears nowhere from what I know in the Sumerian culture.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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Yep, just jump in the line behind Stereologist mate. Thanks



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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I found this interesting video about Nibiru:
Nibiru/Planet X On The Switzerland And Iraq Banknotes




posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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You've done nothing at all to substantiate your claim. Thus it stands at nothing more than a tall tale.

Your claim is a hoax. Everyone can see through your sham claim that there is any merit to your claim.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Do you have something to counter the statements or are you just trying to support this hoax you have been perpetrating about a mentor?

There is very little direct information that the Sumerians were into astronomy. The belief that they were is based on the use of Sumerian names by Babylonian astronomers.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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I am highly offended by your claim of me being Dishonest and pushing a long term HOAX in this community.

Were you to know anything about me from my 8 years of membership here it would be that I am totally honest at all times, no matter what. It causes a lot of problems for sure, but it is how I was raised, how I live and how I raise my child.. total honesty at all times. It is the foundation of my life.

Hence why your attack was so extremely offensive to me.

You know from previous posts the situation with my mentor, and, that for damn good reason I will not divulge her personal information on this Forum again.

Your actions here show I am right to withold such information because you have shown yourself to be no better than the other elitist educateds who haughtily demand evidence when my hands are tied and it is not in my present keeping... and then attempt to use that for your own advancement.

You sir went for premature hits to gain Kudos and a "win" for your very standard modern academia argument. It was a low act by any standards, and you have lost the respect I had for you.

Maybe put the ego in neutral for a bit and simply learn to wait the necessary time for what you want? Isn't that how the real world works?



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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I am highly offended by your claim of me being Dishonest and pushing a long term HOAX in this community.

I can live with that.


You know from previous posts the situation with my mentor, and, that for damn good reason I will not divulge her personal information on this Forum again.

I have no evidence that this mentor exists. For all I know it is a figment of your imagination.


Your actions here show I am right to withold such information because you have shown yourself to be no better than the other elitist educateds who haughtily demand evidence when my hands are tied and it is not in my present keeping... and then attempt to use that for your own advancement.

Were this a real person and a real issue, the you'd never have brought this up in the first place.


You sir went for premature hits to gain Kudos and a "win" for your very standard modern academia argument. It was a low act by any standards, and you have lost the respect I had for you.

I can live with that. Were you actually planning to engage the issue at hand you'd have done something substantial instead of stomping your foot and crying foul.

This is a hoax and no amount of whining is going to make the situation different. Were there a question of academic improprieties by naming people or information, then you who are pretending some moral high ground would never have raised the issue in the first place. You are claiming that you have openly and purposely violated agreements you have with this mentor you claim exists. Why are you acting in an unethical manner? Why are you whining about a problem you have brought on yourself. You should never have mentioned any of this information in the first place. But, you did. You mentioned it more than once and are now whining about a claim that you are treading on unethical grounds.


Maybe put the ego in neutral for a bit and simply learn to wait the necessary time for what you want? Isn't that how the real world works?

I simply don't believe you when you claim "total honesty" yet begin to reveal information which you suggest is some sort of ethics violation.

You have been allowed to perpetrate a hoax for long enough. I simply do not believe you that there is this mentor that worked with Sitchin.

I am willing to rescind this stand upon the evidence. I'd be more than happy to rescind my statement.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Thanks again Stereologist.

Much appreciated. You may hold any opinion you wish, it does not make it fact.

If you have the education that allows you to, why not contact the Museum yourself to request information on who was obtaining the provided copies of the tablets in that period?

I've given little clues in the past which you never seemed to follow. University of Otago ring any memory bells?

I bring up the haughtiness Stereologist not to belittle you or to gain some virtual arguing kudos as many seem to do, but to illustrate an attitude becoming prevalent in your demands.

Do understand, I know it must be frustrating in these forums because of the role-playing aspect so many seem to employ, the sheer amount of disinformaton, the total BS that we read here every day. I know that taints our perceptions somewhat too.

Previously I tried to give as demanded here, and well educated people .. who were behaving just as you have been now... crucified this old lady for one of her current retirement hobbies of UFO Research. They gave her name a quick Google search and latched onto this one insignificant detail of her life to destroy her credentials.

You know this. I have told you this numerous times.

Can you not just wait until she dies and passes on her work?


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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Much appreciated. You may hold any opinion you wish, it does not make it fact.

Your claims went beyond opinion. You made statements that are untrue. I believe, and it is my opinion, that you made all of this up. You refuse to substantiate your claims.


If you have the education that allows you to, why not contact the Museum yourself to request information on who was obtaining the provided copies of the tablets in that period?

And that would demonstrate what? What is this supposed to do? If you have the education, then you know this is a useless exercise.


I've given little clues in the past which you never seemed to follow. University of Otago ring any memory bells? /quote]
Another pointless riddle of yours. It should be clear to everyone that this is a runaround game of no consequence.


I bring up the haughtiness Stereologist not to belittle you or to gain some virtual arguing kudos as many seem to do, but to illustrate an attitude becoming prevalent in your demands.

Whining is not going to get you anywhere.


Can you not just wait until she dies and passes on her work?

Can't you stop pretending that this exists?

You say you can't mention the name. You say that this person has been identified as a crackpot. On the one hand you suggest there are ethical reasons not to name the person. On the other hand you suggest this person is a possible nutcase.

All of this is just lending more weight to my claim that this is a hoax.

Are



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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Your claims went beyond opinion. You made statements that are untrue. I believe, and it is my opinion, that you made all of this up. You refuse to substantiate your claims.


Not refuse, unable to. I do not have the work in my hands to provide details.

Why make this up? What do I have to gain from making this up? Do I have a book out about it, or selling something? What possible reason could there be to make this up?



And that would demonstrate what? What is this supposed to do? If you have the education, then you know this is a useless exercise.


I never claimed I was or had such an education. In fact numerous times I honestly admitted to not being a scholar nor any sort of specialist researcher in this field.

Why would it be a useless exrcise for you if you had the means to do so?



Another pointless riddle of yours. It should be clear to everyone that this is a runaround game of no consequence.


Hell man, in another thread you asked for information, I told you I had her work with me and was requested to send it to the University of Otago..in New Zealand.. who had it for most of that year before it was returned to the old woman. Can you not follow up on that clue then?

What would prevent you communicating with that University?


Can't you stop pretending that this exists?


Stop what? Your haughty attitude of superiority or telling what I know from a real old woman's research that you are opposed to?


You say you can't mention the name. You say that this person has been identified as a crackpot. On the one hand you suggest there are ethical reasons not to name the person. On the other hand you suggest this person is a possible nutcase.


Stereo... who said "crackpot"? Not me.

You have just introduced that Thought into the reader's mind... excellent bit of manipulation Stereo..well done.


I said other people who are acting just like you have been the past two days crucified the women for one of her retirement hobbies of UFO Research.. and that makes her a "crackpot" to you?

To me it gives reason to withhold her details from rabid mongrels who will do exactly as they did in the past.

No amount of harrasment and railroading by you or any cronies will speed the process up.

So, instead of hammering away to enforce you opinon and thus anything I say about this subject in general conversation here will be forever viewed as Hoax by the plebs... how about backing the hell off and waiting till the old girl dies, leaves me her work and then you can go hard to your heart's content.

In the meantime you could do your own research directly with the museum itself couldn't you?

You don't have to wait much longer.. the cancer is getting the better of her will.

One last thing... whether you want to consider it or not.. I do not Lie... I am opposed to all dishonesty. I am only sharing what I know of another person's work.. that person is a dear friend of 20 years and hell yes!..I am protecting her from the circling Sharks. (sorry, always wanted to use that phrase)



Edited here...

I do not know how to fix this impasse.

For you the only logical path is ensure these concepts don't remain in the public arena. And sure I can understand where you are coming from.

It seems you think of me as one of the many boasters, the dishonest people. And yet that is farthest from the reality.

I publicly and honestly conceded some time back that your academic life must far exceed my own, although I don't recall you sharing your credentials if you have.

I cannot show you to specific tablets in any museum, nor their e-versions in universities if they exist. All I can do is share information from someone else's work in General Conversation.

I'm sorry that this offends you so much. I'm sorry too that this brings out the worst in you. I do wish there was something I could do to ease the annoyance you feel.

So there is the impasse. What to do about it?




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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by stereologistAgain all we have is your word on it that this mentor exists. All we have on it is your word that this unsubstantiated person agrees with Sitchin.


Tayesin's mentor is real, her name is Roma Ravn a member of Gympie UFO Society. The validity of her claims though is another story. One of her claims include aliens asking for her permission to have her dog cloned.




posted on May, 22 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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I'm honoured your very first post should be to circumvent me protecting my old mentor's identity.

And thank you for supplying the very same information that was last posted about her here.

Think what you may from her retirement hobby and experience she had as a young women, she does have her evidence for her credentials and work history.

Perhaps now your friend Stereologist will harass her via email or telephone.

Thank you for your intereferences.




posted on May, 22 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Thank you for your intereferences.


You were the one who brought the subject up. I have sent an e-mail to Jaqui Lecki at the University to confirm your story, Buh-bye.



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