Originally posted by anon72

Just Denying Ignorance.

Man I sure hope people find this thread before they consider buying this book.

Matter of fact, maybe the whole UFO community should go on a Frontal Assualt and totally discredit the thing even before it hits the bookshelves.

Maybe you should read the book before going on your "Frontal Assualt".

Originally posted by anon72
Honestly, I can't believe the woman even got someone to publish it.

In a book format anyway.

I bet you the book is about 10 pages long. I mean, what else can she go into?

Now that's Denying Ignorance!!

The book is 544 pages long, and the audio book is just over 16 hours.

How is the book? Is it a real history of Area 51 or is it silly alien/mutant children nonsense? I'm very interested in Area 51 and I will pick it up if I feel it has some substance to it.

I'd also add, there is a documentary made in the Czech Republic which deals with much of the Nazi saucer technology. The reason it was never developed fully is simple. They weren't actually as good or as easy to fly as a bog standard helicopter. The Czech documentary was posted by me on thread some time ago, I will endeavour to find it, it is on Youtube.

Everything else about Vrill and Mercury based plasma engines is utter moonshine and has been invented in relatively recent times and virtually all of it resembles nothing more than a rewriting of Harbinson's novels in the Inception series and fiction is now "the truth*.

This is not sinking in or I'm having blind spots. who the # is saying this?

An interesting theory, but I strongly disagree. Read Stanton Friedmans "Flying Saucers and Science". There are simply too many people who have come forward from Roswell claiming that they have recovered bodies. There are too many documents (addressed to the president elect!) that explain how several saucers have crashed over the years. Jesse Marcels son, who was exposed to the debris and bodies says that his father was forced to lie about the disk. In one of the pictures of Marcel next to the (most likely) fake debris, he is holding a memo in his right hand. In six of the seven pictures he turns it away from the camera. But in one of them, for whatever reason, a tiny slit of the paper is exposed. David Rudiak had worked with high-thech computers exstensively to try to read the message. What he has found is amazing. The memo, contains several phrases of very interesting information. It states things such as "the victems of the crash" and "the disk they will ship". This proves both the weather balloon and the soviet union theory wrong. If it was a weather balloon test, there would not be victims or a disk. If it was the soviets there would have been no crash.

Originally posted by Frith
This is an utterly preposterous idea. More so than actual extraterrestrials crashing.

Would the US government actually cover-up a Russian-made hoax? No. They would say the Russians were trying to pull a fast one and show the trickery. During the red scare era where the U.S. government was actively seeking to prosecute anybody they thought was a communist this information would have been widely disseminated as leverage against Russia in the U.S. that indeed they were spying and in very strange ways.

To believe the U.S. government would hide this from American citizens to protect the Russian government is more silly than to think they covered up actual extraterrestrial bodies and equipment.

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it would make the US look weak, not even knowing our air space had been penetrated

not saying I believe it, but I can see why the US would cover it up

Listened to the Fresh Air interview a couple of times and read the sections of the book on this topic. In the interview Jacobsen says that she believes her source is telling what he observed and/or was told. This doesn't mean she necessarily believes it to be true; however, she gives no alternate explanations either.

What is conspicuous in its absence is what this EG&G engineer made of the "equipment" from this craft, which he analyzed. Did he think it beyond human construction? As far as I can tell, this is never discussed, although it seems to be a crucial issue.

Also, what about alternative explanations for this source's information? Couldn't it well have been a loyalty test/counter-intelligence operation to see if these critical civilian personnel were capable of keeping government secrets, or to out some Soviet spy?

In the bit I did read of Jacobsen's book, I noticed one glaring error or typo. In describing German attempts at stealth technology during WWII, she says the Germans were imbedding "graphic" material into aircraft surfaces, where she clearly meant "graphite". On may argue that this is a trite error; however, I disagree. If one is discussing technical issues, one needs to use the correct terminology; otherwise one's credibility is undercut -- as well as whatever point one is trying to make is muddied. It seems such errors are common for non-technical persons relating technical issues.

FTR, I find the Soviet Roswell connection to be the least likely actual explanation for the Roswell incident -- for the many of the same reasons given by others in this and related threads. That said, I find it interesting how many people cite wikipedia information in refuting Jacobsen. They seem to think wikipedia is the final arbiter of fact. Jacobsen does discuss the Horten brothers whereabouts and cites sources; she also makes the assertion that the Soviets did acquire Horten plane designs, something others in this or related threads claim not to be the case -- although no citations or sources are provided. In this respect a bit of the criticism leveled at Jacobsen's books seems more than a trifle bush league. Let's strive more more intellectually robust discussions; it will make this a more valuable forum.