Nexum: Living Roman law, and why we are all in Prison!

All,

Please review this and comment as you see fit.

My Theory: The situation faced by all countries, where a central bank is established issuing "legal tender" as fiat currency, based on the "bond" of the government, which requires the proletariat, to give remittance to the government in form of taxation, so services provided, with the application of interest on the capital can be described as a form of "Nexum"

But let us start at the beginning. (note this is a very abridged version)

Before all this "society" came along a man was free to live, and divine his own fate. He was also free to die in the gutter of starvation. taxation / tribute was paid, in form of servitude to the lord of the land (Landlord) or in form of silver / gold coin of the realm if you wished to be left alone.

Basically a medieval form of a protection racket.

However as "society" developed, the needs of the prols grew.

We need roads,
We need light
We need heating
We need civil protection
We want Justice. etc etc etc

Well, who had the time to deal with all of this? let alone who had the money to pay for it? the Landlord? Maybe if he wanted to go bankrupt, and not have any time left to go hunting, or ravishing the parlor maid!

Enter the civil service. to administer all of this on behalf of the Lord.

Discussion went something like this:

"But we don't have the money for this"
"So raise taxes!!"
"Hmmm.. But the people don't have money to pay the taxes and we don't have enough coin to pay for the expansion, because our system is based on the gold standard. What do we do?"
"Answer: Well lets get the gold and goods from other lands, that we can trade with other countries, in order to pay for everything. by force is necessary!!"

Enter the Empire phase.

Another problem, over which the discussion went something like this:

"Ahhh we cannot afford the infrastructure for all the empire"
"Or the upkeep of the military required to keep everyone safe! What do we do?"
"We can't raise taxes, and we have traded everything to the max."
"Haven't you heard?" said a new voice.
"No! What?"
"There is a place in the city where people are exchanging their coins for paper, and they can be used again and again. they are even giving people more paper than they have gold for. just as long as they pay it back in time."
"What happens if they don't pay it back?"
"Well, they go to debtors prison don't they! and right so the blaggards!"
"That's sounds great. We have a steady income of taxes, which means that we can pay it back in time, and allows us to do things now! it will be easy for us. We just make sure that our monthly repayment is affordable! (sound familar??) Now bring me the manager! post haste."

Enter the Banks.

"We want to borrow 1 million pounds of gold, if you please"
"No problem Sir, will you give me your promissory note for the sum?"
"Of course, we are the Government, Our word is our BOND"

$$$$$$$$$$$$ CHACHING $$$$$$$$$$$ BA BLING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY $$$$$$

Now, Those of you that have played Sim City will know that once you issue a bond, spend the money, and you economy goes into recession. there is nothing left to do, but hit "exit game" or keep issuing bonds to try and get the tax revenues going again!

So where does this lead us?

Well, those that cannot repay debts go to debtors prison, no? Debtors Prison It was said just before, and rightly so the blaggards!

"Hang on there old boy, we're the Govenment, you can't send an entire country to Debtors Prison! Can you?"

Banks "Not literally sir" after all this is 1913. in these modern times we do not do such barbaric things. Luckily there is a method that has been in use since ancient Rome for such an event, and is fair for everyone. You get to continue doing your thing, and I get my money back."

"Ahhh well if it was good enough for the cradle of civilization, then it has to be a civil gentleman agreement good enough for us, right?"

" Indeed Sir, We will simply draw up a contract called "Nexum" between you (the country) hereinafter known as the Nexi, and us (The bank) hereinafter known as the Nexor. Don't worry about the terms, it's just legal contract language."
"This Nexum is all good and proper isn't it old boy??"
"Of course Sir, it just allows an agreement or Nexus, between us, where you give me you bond, and (I legally own you) but that is all well and good, as you are a man of your word right!!???"
"Ahh of of course indeed sir, never let it be said, Lets get the Nexus rolling then shall we"

".........Excellent!"

Sounds similar to A Nex ation - to Annex a Nation. Bind in Nexum doesn't it.

But what is Nexum?

Black Law Dictionary 8th Edition 2009 Describes Nexum as:

Roman Law. A transaction or practice of early Roman law under which a debtor, upon failure to repay the debt, could be seized and held in bondage until the debt was repaid. The practice was allowed in very early Roman law.

Nexum

And so the country was given over to the Banks as a Nexus.

(This is still listed in today law parlance.)

At which point all monies issued were done so by the bank, in order that the government, in Bondage, could pay back it's bond (nexus)

So we're all now in debtors prison. brought so by our father demands for civil protection. Our freedoms were sold into bondage, for the needs of society. and nativity and friviolity of a ruling class who believed they were being clever, but in the end were no better at playing sim city that anyone else. in the face of this slippery buy now pay later schemes!

AND YET WE STILL FALL FOR IT!!!!!

We can still see this continuing again and again LOOK AROUND. Countries needing bail outs from their central bank to the world bank!!!.

This is nothing but a MASSIVE global CDO!!

So. What happens when countries in Nexum default further, and cannot repay their bond??

This is the point where we are now. Has anyone in the banks given this any thought? How can you re-seize that which has already been seized. when you, your processions, your house, even your life and name, do not belong to you, but are registered with the government, and appear on an asset list (census)(register)(social security) used as human collateral to fund the Nexum, and further lines of credit

Well they just a credit default swap to another bank. and the world bank is currently on a debt purchase mission. to acquire the ownership rights of the world, it's nations and it's people. And the mechanism to ensure their bondage

The SDR (special drawing right) SDR

As was used before, countries will give tribute (bond) to the new Landlord, and continually pay the Nexus until the debt is paid.

However, with interest, this can NEVER happen.

The solution:

Islamic Banking

I am NOT a Muslim, However can you not see that maybe this is the reason why they are being demonized, After all, think who is doing the bank rolling, for all of this, on BOTH sides. That everything that comes from the mouth of the Muslim has to be bad, wrong, evil and anti capitalist. We it's true. it is anti capitalist. But it is the only way out of this. That is why they don't want you to see it. This is why Muslim countries DO NOT have fiat currency. This is why Muslim countries do not have central banks and still have currency based on gold. This is why the Muslims actually understand the real worth of trade, Hell they've been doing it for millennia.

Just food for though,

You will be informed when it is your turn in the exercise yard.

I guess someone has a sense of humour!!!

There's those Laurel leaves again!

reply to post by JakiusFogg


before all them mechanical clinks and clonks of owner ship and trade,there was people exercising a better system then that, of community,equality,and cooperation and balance among people,land,animals and yet,they were killed in masses for the ownership and expulsion.we learned there systems but yet we didnt implement them then, do to the kings and imperials seeking ownerships and exploitation.so,why is it we still seek ownership and exploitation?there is plenty examples of the results.denial?in today world of technology,what stands between us and that system of balance and equality?ownership and trade system.that has not advanced as of the year 2011.on the contrary technology has been implemented for the continual of a failed system.i know it is very hard for a child to let go of his old toy even if its broken. give ceasar what is his and God what is his.then things will fall in place.ownership and trade must be replaced by sharing and cooperation with technology implemented.money?what is that?o yes,it is equal to limit.

Excellent theory,
S&F for you sir

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Strangely if you do a quick google search for Nexum, you get allot of returns for debt collection agencies. including one banking firm whos logo is a part of balance scales.

The scales were used by Roman as part of right of sale. weird, or just plain deliberate!?

Originally posted by JakiusFogg

Islamic Banking

I am NOT a Muslim, However can you not see that maybe this is the reason why they are being demonized,

According to Hebrew law, all debts are supposed to be forgiven every seven years.

DEUT 15:1 In the seventh year thou shalt make a remission,

DEUT 15:2 Which shall be celebrated in this order. He to whom any thing is owing from his friend or neighbour or brother, cannot demand it again, because it is the year of remission of the Lord,

DEUT 15:3 Of the foreigner or stranger thou mayst exact it: of thy countryman and neighbour thou shalt not have power to demand it again.

By not forgiving debt these bankers are saying that they are foreign or strangers to us.

What does Sharia Law say about non-Muslims?


David Grouchy

Every seven years eh? maybe that would be even better

To be honest its the prohibition on interest that gets me. As without interest there would be no problem.

Originally posted by JakiusFogg

To be honest its the prohibition on interest that gets me. As [color=gold]without interest there would be no problem.

And no incentive to loan. I suspect with a mandatory 0% rate, suddenly everyone would be "out of money" or "broke, sorry." It's a fine line between abuse and reward.

Personally I feel anything above 9.999% is [color=gold]evil, and even that requires extrodinary justification. 3% is both fair, and historically very rewarding.

Another problem I have is how do the bankers get off not even treating us like neighbors, when they operate within the very countries that granted them their charters in the first place. Evil again.

How long will the banking system keep adding to itself what isn't theirs. Do they also pack mud onto their faces to sculpt a new look?


David Grouchy

reply to post by JakiusFogg


A most excellent post. Perhaps you could elaborate further by giving us the legal definition of "bailment" and how many contracts we may have signed that contain that word.

I don't know so much about the Muslim connection---you lost me there. However, there is a very dark shadow that goes beyond Rome and beyond any "religion".Most probably that dark shadow is whatever created the religions. I believe there is a connection to Baal, which is pronounced "bail" and also pronounced as "bell" (think Brotherhood of the Bell) and also pronounced as Ball.

The biggest tricks of the language of legalese are words that are pronounced the same but spelled differently and having different meanings so that one may be verbally mislead; and, also words that are spelled the same as a word in common English usage but has a totally different meaning in legal language. Tricksters always. Happy Halloween.

From Blacks 8th

Bailment. 1. A delivery of personal property by one person (the bailor) to another (the bailee) who holds property for certain purpose under an express or implied-in-fact contract. Unlike sale or gift of personal property, a bailment involves change in procession but not in title, Cf PAWN [cases: Bailment 1, C.J.S. Bailments 2-13 15 19 22 24 31]

Can you give me some context, I am new to this term.

Also note there are variations of this
naked bailment, actual bailment, bailment for hire, bailment for sale, lucrative bailment, gratuitous bailment, detinue sur bailment, and involuntary bailment.

Great thread I have be hoping to figure out how divorce myself from this system studying such matters. Also S&F though I feel a matter of this importance are always left behind even on ATS as they say you can lead a horse to water but not make him drink.

reply to post by SimpleKnowledge


I'd agree with that. Reality is always scarier, but less dramatic than planet eating space dwarves!!

reply to post by SimpleKnowledge


Blacks is a good place to start I guess. You can download it on your ipod (if you have one) it helps decipher all those normal looking words used in a legal context!

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
From Blacks 8th

Bailment. 1. A delivery of personal property by one person (the bailor) to another (the bailee) who holds property for certain purpose under an express or implied-in-fact contract. Unlike sale or gift of personal property, a bailment involves change in procession but not in title, Cf PAWN [cases: Bailment 1, C.J.S. Bailments 2-13 15 19 22 24 31]

Can you give me some context, I am new to this term.

You will often find this word in the fine print of some of the most common unsuspecting contracts that one might sign on a regular basis. It is found in contracts concerning "privileges" and "services".

Anytime you must show a document in order to be granted a "privilege" or a "service", the document you show serves as a pledge. The showing of a document is a pledge ritual. What you are pledging serves as "bailment". In some cases, I suppose bailment could be a form of collateral or even something given over to ownership in exchange for the privilege or service.

Originally posted by jonny420ls
Excellent theory,
S&F for you sir

very good post sir

reply to post by Alethea


That being the case. Should right (rite) of owenership transfer under a contract of bailment. then the holding might, but there is no transfer of title. Meaning that the object is still owned by the bailee.

However the Bailor is what, claim possession is 9-10ths or what!!!

Sounds like a scam. And you know what it probably is.

I like stars and flag (being honest)

But more than that I like debate.

Hence the bump, to see this through the night.

Night all!

reply to post by JakiusFogg


the only good side of financials lately is electronic money.

with all the money "printed" by governments in the last ten years, there would be no trees left if it was all paper money.

with the hedge funds, casino banks, world bank, imf, and other financial vampires bleeding the world economy while producing nothing, future generations are better off starting from scratch.

with interest rates at 20% to 30% on credit cards, it's obvious that the criminals are still in control of Governments.

as to Government bailout of Wall Street.
a dog dying from too many ticks and flees is given a blood transfusion, it feeds the parasites,but the dog is not likely to get better untill the parasites are brought under control.

the stock market goes up due to all this money looking for a home, and the ponzi scheme saves the pension plans for the time being. another balloon to create phony wealth.

how can the real economy survive?