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Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by Skerrako
Robert E Lee freed his slaves before the war. Ulysses Grant's wife retained their slave UNTIL 6 MONTHS AFTER WAR WAS OVER!!
you are a public fool system [public school system slant, not calling you a fool) scholar huh? have you read anything unbiased about the war? i challenge you to read Jefferson Davis..
Despite the recent trend of dilettantes denouncing him as a traitor, Robert E Lee exemplified a man torn and pulled and forced into a situation out of his control, but he did so with honor and he was effective. True, many members of the Lee family remained with the Union. How does his lack of blind obedience to his extended family members make him a coward? He was his own man. Even some harsh Yankee critics of his day conceded that he was impressive and worthy of respect. It is, frankly, ignorant folks of the 21st century applying 21st century values to a mid 19th century situation that are mistaken. There were individual acts of heroism and honor by men on both sides of the war. There were acts of cowardice by men on both sides of the war. Contemporaries of Lee, from both sides, tend to agree that he fits in the former category.
While the end of formalized slavery was necessary for the nation to move forward, the results of the Civil War actually began a process of eliminating freedom for all Americans. The 10th Amendment was weakened considerably and the banking factions came out on top. The road was laid for the domination of central bankers and centralized government. And with that comes servitude and eventually slavery or serfdom for all, or at least most.
Robert E Lee freed his slaves before the war. Ulysses Grant's wife retained their slaves UNTIL 6 MONTHS AFTER WAR WAS OVER!!
you are a public fool system [public school system slant, not calling you a fool) scholar huh? have you read anything unbiased about the war? i challenge you to read Jefferson Davis..
I guess its the usual broken record. Even though most Northerners, according to the vast majority of contemporary sources, did not care about the morality of slavery, it will always be about slavery, no matter what, to those that have already made their mind up, regardless if they pretend to be seeking alternative knowledge.
And then read some quotes from good ole uncle Abe before he decided to use slavery as publicity for a failing war.
General Lee was obviously a highly respected man back in those days.... to put this issue with slavery is ridiculous, since Abraham Lincoln thought highly of him.
Are you trying to say that the North wasnt led by other slave owners?
Originally posted by Skerrako
He was every bit a racist as Lee, and repeatedly said he wanted to keep the union together more than anything, gladly would have continued slavery if it meant saving the Union.
He owned slaves as well.
More problematic were Lincoln’s views on race. He held opinions not very different from those of the majority of his racist countrymen. Even if slavery was wrong, “there is a physical difference between the white and black races that will for ever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality.” His solution was a form of ethnic cleansing: shipping blacks off to Liberia, or Haiti, or Central America — anywhere as long as it wasn’t the United States.
Originally posted by Skerrako
He said blacks and whites could never live together on terms of social and political equality
Originally posted by Skerrako
what we have after the war is the watered-down version of racism, also known as discrimination
I'm sure Lincoln was referring to Africans and sending them back home.
Your the one getting slavery and racism mixed up, look them both up, two totally different meanings....
All servants imported and brought into the Country. . . who were not Christians in their native Country. . . shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion. . . shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resists his master. . . correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction. . . the master shall be free of all punishment. . . as if such accident never happened. - Virginia General Assembly declaration, 1705
You seem to be lost over the topic, thought this was about General Lee?
There where black people who owned slaves too, does that make them racist?
Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, that doesn't sound racist?
Owning slaves back then didn't mean you was racist.
The fact is, racialization started after the Civil War in bids for jobs and wages etc... that is where real racialism started.
That is not true at all... it (racism) was worse after the war.
The Civil War wasn't even over racism, if you think so then your reading the wrong information.
There is a bit more to it, but I'm not here to give you a history lesson, unless you want one lol.