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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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I had a great idea. I was reading grizzle2's thread on magnetism and how it is a fairly unexplained phenomena.

So there I am, off in an alpha and I stumbled upon the unified field theory, as you do!

Well it occurred to me, seeing as ATS has some of the best minds on the planet, granted some of the dumbest as well (gotta love these guys)
that between us we could come up with the theory for everything, applying synergy and all that.

The only rule is that once we have it figured out, we donate it free to humanity but pick up the kudos by calling the new energy source ATS power or something


First I will present in eayspeak, (because that all I can do) how I think that magnetism works, then we can take it from there. Everyone can contribute their own theory or modify this one and then we will whittle it down to the most plausible explanation.

With that as the foundation, we can figure out how to harness the energy for the benefit of mankind.

Don't be put off by technical stuff because what we are looking for are abstract concepts and anybody is capable of that. I believe that the answer to this is beautifully simple.

I know there are many here at ATS that can debunk our theories but that's OK as long as they keep an open mind and think outside of the box when considering the concept or perhaps put some technical meat onto it.

Here goes

I think magnetism has to do with the subatomic structure of iron. I think because of the way the atoms hang together it gives rise to a structure where matter collapses on itself creating a self sustaining black hole.

Sub particles are sucked into the hole and spewed out the other side with such energy that other ferrous objects are repelled. The attraction of the black hole bends the particles being emitted back into itself as it loops back into the hole and the whole process repeats endlessly, that's why when another piece of iron comes into contact on the attractive side, it too becomes part of the mass feeding the black hole which naturally places itself into the dead center of the new mass.

Probably works the same with galaxies as well!

There you go, the unified field theory knocked out just before dinner.

OK no trolling, just good ideas

Hint: lets compose a list of unknowns such as consciousness, gravity, magnetism, dark matter(if it exists) dark energy(if it exists) - please add to the list.

Select from the list, sit back relax, get into the zone and start contributing.




posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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I wrote this article, and two more of less importance to this discussion, that may help in formulating the "ATS unified Field Theory". I will post them here in order of writing.


Some Thoughts on Quantum Entanglement

Introduction

There is a phenomenon known as entanglement that occurs between two simultaneously created photons. They have a link to each other that seems to defy the law that nothing, not even information transfer, can exceed the speed of light. I have some thoughts on how this may be happening without actually violating the light speed law. It involves several aspects of space/time, gravity, multiple dimensions, and possibly multiple universes. I will start out by defining what entanglement is and then will go into aspects of the other disciplines before giving my thoughts on how entanglement could possibly work without there being a violation of the light speed limit.

What is entanglement?

Entanglement is a phenomenon that occurs between two photons when they are created as a pair from the same event. They will have opposite characteristics such as spin. Here is where it gets strange, Einstein knew about entanglement and called it “spooky action at a distance”. It seems that if you do something to one photon to change that characteristic the other will change its characteristic instantly even if there is a large separation between the two photons. And that seems to defy the accepted speed limit of the speed of light since NOTHING is supposed to be able to go faster than light, not even information.

Gravity, the universal reference point

The ancients claimed that there must be an aether, that we could not see or sense in any way, which all material things and forces moved through. A substance, if you will, that permeated all of space. It has been pretty well proven that no such aether exists, but gravity comes as close as anything to taking its place. Of the four known fundamental forces only gravity acts over a large enough distance to be a candidate for an aether like force. The strong and weak nuclear forces only have effect at atomic and subatomic distances. While electro and natural magnetism can be extremely strong over short distances it fades out rapidly. An electromagnet such as one used to lift tons at a time of scrap metal will not even attract the metal over distances of just a few yards.

But gravity is another story altogether. Just one simple example of the far reaching power of gravity is Haley’s Comet. It only shows up once in about 75 years. It has to travel for 37 1/2 years from its closest approach to the sun before it reaches the farthest point in its orbit and starts the return portion of its trip. Yet it is still under the influence of the sun’s gravity or it would never return. Another even more extreme example of the reach of gravity, if it is true, is the comet or asteroid that is supposed to visit the solar system only once in every 3600 years. That means that it can travel for 1800 years on the outward half of its orbit and still be under the influence of the suns gravity. Another aspect of gravity that you will see is important later is that it is “anchored” to the mass generating it. In our solar system that would be the sun. While the planets also have gravity fields that add to the overall effect they are very small in comparison to the gravity of the sun. It is, so far as I know at this time, the only thing that can qualify for the role as the reference point for the time dilation effect when something travels through it at relativistic speeds. There just might be some other force in one of the other dimensions that can cause the same effect but so far there is no empirical proof that the extra dimensions even exist.

Gravity is also closely linked to the relativistic time dilation effect. Two extremely accurate atomic clocks that are separated vertically by even fairly small altitudes will run at different speeds. The one that is higher, therefore in a weaker gravity field, will run faster. Also, if one atomic clock is held stationary while the other is transported at high speed in a jet airplane the one moving will keep time at a different rate than the stationary one. Experimental results have also shown that the same clock will vary by a different amount depending on whether it is traveling east to west or west to east. That shows that the effect of gravity is the cause since the jet airplane measures its speed as airspeed but since the earth rotates under the airplane the relative motion through the gravity field would be different in different directions but at the same airspeed. I had to ask myself just what is the frame of reference for the motion of the clocks and their reported time differences. The only factor I could come up with is proximity to mass and the resultant gravity field generated by that mass.

Extra dimensions and/or alternate universes

The current most widely accepted theory states that there are three spatial dimensions and the “dimension” of time that we are physically aware of and as many as 6 or more that we cannot sense directly. This will be very important to my final conclusions at the end of this article. Some aspects of the extra dimensions are…

1. One or more of them may be so small as to be almost nonexistent. Even possibly sub atomic in size.
2. Others may be just single dimensional or strings with only two axes, length and time.
3. Yet others may be so different from what we can comprehend as to be unexplainable in ordinary terms.

For my purposes in this article I am only concerned with the first two possibilities.

Time, the universal dimension

As far as we know now time can only travel in one direction; into the future. While the relevant equations seem to say that it is at least possible for time to travel backwards; so far there is no known instance of it doing so in our real world experience. This most likely makes time the universal and unidirectional reference point for all the dimensions. Looking back at the section on gravity and its role in the time dilation effect also indicates that time is the one important variable in all dimensions. This also will play a very important part in my final conclusions.

And finally, my theory…

If the other dimensions really do exist; then at least one, and maybe more, of them could be responsible for the apparent violation of the light speed limit without that limit actually being violated. What if the entangled photons have at least part of their existence tied to one of the extra dimensions where it would be impossible for them to become spatially separated? That could mean that even though they are very far apart in our perceived world they never left each others sides in one or more of the alternate dimensions. They would only be capable of traveling in time in the other dimension(s) and thus would maintain close proximity to each other. It is then possible that they could influence each other instantaneously in another dimension and that influence would seem to occur in violation of the speed of light limit in our world.

Proposed experiments to provide proof of my theory…
If I am right and time is the universal and unidirectional vector in all dimensions then it can be used to find a proof of my theory. I am going to propose two different ways to use the same effect to either prove, or leave in limbo, the extra dimensional aspects of entanglement.

The first, and simplest, method is to use the effect of weaker gravity at higher altitude. It would require trapping both of the entangled photons in separate containment systems. Then you leave one at sea level and raise the other one to as high an altitude as is conveniently possible. This would allow the higher altitude photon to travel through time at a faster rate. If this happens and the photons are forced into a quantum change they should be separated in time by a mathematically provable amount of time. And this time difference should show up as a lag in the entanglement effect equivalent to the time shift between the photons.

The second experiment uses the relativistic effect of high speed travel through a gravity field. Again, the photons are captured in separate containment systems. But now one is kept stationary while the other one is transported at a high rate of speed relative to the stationary one. This should be able to produce the same separation in time in the other dimension(s) but do so at a higher and easier to measure rate.

There is an article at the end of this paper that I found on the internet that shows a piece of lab equipment that can demonstrate entanglement over relatively short distances. This is a fairly cheap ($28,000) piece of equipment that is set up as a bench top experiment to show the effects of entanglement in a measurable way. Based on this piece of equipment I would like to propose a third way to test my theory. It would involve setting the equipment up on a spinning disc in such a way as to be able to be shifted across the face of the disc. The range of movement would be from having both photons an equal distance from the center of the disc to having one at the rotational axis and the other at the rim. Having them at equal distances would provide the control portion of the experiment to show that there is no change when both photons are acted on equally. Then by shifting one of the photons out to the rim and the other to the axis it would be possible, if my theory is valid, to see the same time lag effect as would be expected in my two earlier proposed experiments due to the higher rotational speed of the photon at the rim.

Some further thoughts extra dimensionality…

One of the least understood aspects of photons is the wave particle duality. This is illustrated in the experiment where a light source is first projected through a single fine slit onto a screen on the other side and then through two slits onto the same screen. When one slit is open a simple dispersion pattern, as would be expected with particles, is seen on the screen. But when the second slit is opened an interference pattern, as would be expected with waves, shows on the screen. This happens even if only one photon at a time is sent through only one of the open slits. Seemingly the only requirement for the interference pattern to show is that a second slit be open.


What if the extra dimensional aspect theorized earlier in this article were to be the cause? What if the photons really do exist as waves and particles at the same time but just not in the same dimension? Then what if the double slit part of the experiment allows us, just by having then second slit open, to see the extra dimensionality and wave /particle duality, of the photons in the experiment? I know, that’s a lot of what ifs. But just think; what if some or all of them are true????

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Do-it-yourself quantum spooky action
By George Musser | Mar 17, 2011 06:45 PM | 7
DRESDEN, Germany—How cool would it be not just to read about the craziness of quantum mechanics, but to see it—even better, do it—for yourself? Several years ago I asked virtuoso experimental physicist Paul Kwiat whether he could develop a simple demonstration anyone could do at home, and he and his undergraduate student Rachel Killmer came up with a "quantum eraser". This week I got to see another big step toward the era of quantum homebrewers. Tucked away in a booth in the exhibit tent at the German Physical Society conference, Munich-based start-up company qutools showed off the world's cheapest kit for seeing quantum entanglement: spooky action at a distance. Though still out of reach of a DIYer (20,000 euros, or $28,000), the kit is cheap enough to become standard equipment in Physics 101 courses, and when you consider what physicists had to go through in the 1970s to see spooky action for the first time, it's a marvel of miniaturization. "I'm so excited by what they're doing,” says physics education innovator David Van Baak of Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich. "We're past the stage where entanglement is a research-university-only affair. It's getting out to the masses."
Photo of qutools co-founder Henning Weier by George Musser
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Wherefore Art Thou O Dark Quark?

OR

Finding the Universes Missing Matter



Scientists say that according to their figures we can only account for a few percent of the matter in the universe. The rest is “dark matter” and they cannot see it. They see a great disparity in the structure of the universe and the gravity from mass needed to hold it together in its current form. I would like to propose a solution for this dilemma based on ideas from my previous article titled “Some Thoughts on Quantum Entanglement”.



First an excerpt from the quantum entanglement article…



“If the other dimensions really do exist; then at least one, and maybe more, of them could be responsible for the apparent violation of the light speed limit without that limit actually being violated. What if the entangled photons have at least part of their existence tied to one of the extra dimensions where it would be impossible for them to become spatially separated?”



That begs the question; if some aspect of an entangled particle, or any other particle for that matter, coexists in another dimension as well as in the three dimensions plus time we are aware of, then they could account for at least some of the missing matter that causes the anomaly of too much gravity for the mass known to exist in our plane of existence.




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E T Call Home



Let me start by saying that the SETI program (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) is a total waste of valuable time and resources. It doesn’t matter whether you believe that aliens (if they do exist) come from deep space or another plane of existence. Either way they are going to need a means of communication that works better than radio waves. For communication between the stars ordinary radio waves, which are subject to the same speed limit as light, simply will not do. The nearest star is several light years away. That means that radio or laser based communications would take several years to send a message just one way and double that for an answer. If you believe that the little green men live in an alternate dimension or universe then even if they do use radio waves for communication in their own domain they cannot communicate between dimensions or parallel universes by that method or we would be swamped with their transmissions.



So how do they communicate you ask? And I do have an answer. It might not be the right one but it is one possibility. I propose that they use entangled photons.



Follow this reasoning…

We can send both amplitude (AM) and frequency (FM) modulated signals by radio waves so why can’t we at least send FM signals by entangled photons. I am not sure we could modulate the amplitude of photon entanglement but FM should work just fine once we fully develop the technology. After all we didn’t have the ability to send even simple AM signals when we first invented the telegraph now we have cheap wireless home telephone handsets that operate in the gigahertz frequency range. All we need to do is develop a way to gather a large number of entangled photons and modulate the state change fast enough to simulate a carrier wave like we use in radio. Then we would need a way to detect that modulation and convert it to information. It is probably a daunting task to say the least but that is what was thought of radio before we perfected it.



What are some of the advantages, besides eavesdropping on ET, of such a communication system?



Because it would be instantaneous it would allow real time control of lunar and mars probes. Instead of them being autonomous and on their own for decision making they could be controlled in real time with just a keyboard and a joystick. No more letting them just wander around and get into trouble before an operator could intervene.



But an even more important application would be to place satellites as close to the sun as possible and let them monitor flares and coronal mass ejections. The instantaneous nature of the data received would give us a longer lead time to protect our communications satellites and any astronauts in space.



I doubt that we have the technology right now to accomplish this but the benefits of instant communications from any distance should make it a priority area of study. So what if we have to start off sending Morse code again. We have some brilliant physicists who should be able to find a way to make advances in the new technology just like they did with the old technology we use right now.




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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Simply brilliant happykat39, I like the idea of not violating the speed of light, that makes sense. I prefer to refer to it as the speed of thought which I think leaves light in it's wake. If we can travel through a multidimensional universe by thought because as you described there is no actual distance between the particles (spooky action) Then there is no point in the multiverse that we can't reach instantly.

I will read your other theories and comment later.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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I have pondered the enigma of dark matter and the apparent disparity of mass v gravity. I thought the consensus was that mass was spread through multiple dimensions for the the math to add up.

I like the idea of instant communication using entanglement although I can't get my head around how you could create a carrier wave at a quantum level.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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I hope this thread takes off, it could be a great repository for original ideas to be recorded and mulled over.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by kennyb72
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I have pondered the enigma of dark matter and the apparent disparity of mass v gravity. I thought the consensus was that mass was spread through multiple dimensions for the the math to add up.

I like the idea of instant communication using entanglement although I can't get my head around how you could create a carrier wave at a quantum level.


You do so by triggering the state change at a high and steady frequency that can be detected just like you tune in to a specific radio frequency now. Then for an FM (Frequency Modulation) signal you make small changes in the modulation frequency that can carry the information just like we do now with FM radio signals. In other words; we would use quantum entangled particles just like we use electromagnetic radiation now to transmit information. The action is the same it is just the medium that is different. It may take a while for scientists to develop the technology but I see no barrier to it working once the equipment and technique are designed, built, and working.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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That would require science to come up with a frequency perfectly tuned to the quantum resonance of the carrying particle and I have a feeling that this is outside of the spectrum that we can currently detect. Would we need to create an instrument that is capable of receiving and transmitting on this minute frequency?



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Time for me to take a quantum leap into bed.

If anybody would like to contribute try to keep it abstract and let your imagination run. We already have one great mind on the project. It would be great to see some discussion and ideas flowing.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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S&F.

I hope people don't try to "debunk" this, as it is your personal thoughts on the world and in an appropriate forum. Everyone should come in and donate their ideas to yours.

Good luck.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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I don't mind being "debunked" as long as it is done with hard science and a friendly attitude. That is one of the ways we learn.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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I guess the thread is quiet because everyone is busy writing down their pet theories happykat39



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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OK I posted this on another thread I started but did not spark much attention. This is the sort of idea that belong on this thread, totally unprovable but original thought.

I have been thinking about the subject of gravity lately. I have been piecing together my own idea's and those of others that see us as eternal ethereal entities.

When you consider that all forces have an opposing force as in polarity, duality etc, there doesn't appear to be an observable opposite polarity to gravity. If there was, then levitation would be case of reversing polarity locally and maintaining a balance of neutral gravity to travel through.

I believe that when we come to understand the nature of matter, whatever the field is that binds us together as matter, then the nature of gravity will become evident.

My theory, which I grant is a bit of a stretch! is, that we are light beings that contain no mass at all until we travel into a sphere of energy such as the Higgs field of a star system. At this point we take on mass much the way iron filings take on shape when placed on a piece of paper on top of a magnet.

If we where to consider that all matter has an ethereal, doppelganger,life force or essence, including DNA in the case of 3rd density beings, then could it be, that once we leave the sphere of influence of a star system, we return to our etherized state.

If my theory was to be expanded, it would mean that once we arrive into deep space, we are no longer influenced by the Higgs field of that star system. At this point, we and any craft we occupy would become ethereal.

In this state the laws that govern us would become the laws of quantum as opposed to the laws of physics. Travel between stars would not be subject to distance through space and time but more a case of thinking ourselves into the sphere of influence of another star system(spooky actions at a distance).

On arrival to our destination, our mass would then return, comprising of mass gained from the Higgs field of the new star system, which would then in turn influence us.

This would of course mean that between stars, no mass exists at all, just light or essence of matter(dark matter?) again for clarification of my theory, matter only comes into being once it enters the field of a star system. I don't know! can we prove otherwise?

So - particles only adopts mass once they enters (the Higgs field) of a star system.

Now if it turned out that gravity where a consequence of the Higgs field (a still unidentified field) could it be then, that science just needs to figure out how to cancel that field.

In the area of audio, if we duplicate a frequency, it cancels out the sound we are listening to and we no longer hear that sound. Could this also apply to the Higgs field. By duplicating its frequency or frequencies, could we cancel it out? and in so doing so, nullify gravity and mass, which would also cancel the laws of physics and evoke the laws of quantum.

I remember reading about Tibetan monks moving boulders using sound

Scientific proof, Monks levitated mega ton boulders

Perhaps they where able to reproduce the frequencies of the Higgs field and Neutralize or lessen it.

If this where the case travel to anywhere in the universe would be possible at the speed of thought.

It would also make star-gates and time travel possible by canceling out the field that binds matter and thus invoking the laws of quantum.

Walking through a star-gate would involve shedding the matter binding us in our star system and absorbing the matter of the destination star at the other end. It would be our Ethereal DNA that puts us back together in the right sequence.

It could also work here on Earth by shedding mass as we enter the Higgs canceling device(portal) and then absorbing mass again at our destination.

I don't know if the concept of matter not existing outside of a star system, has been proposed before or just me having a Eureka (or very silly ) moment.

Whatever,



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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My Theory. I assume a creator at rest while we are imperfect in motion back toward rest.

The imperfection in us is necessary. God is at rest. We are becoming as God is. If there is to be a we, then we can't be God or there is (not are) two perfections at once. That is a perfect image and makes God two. God is one. For Him to Create us, he starts with a point. That's Him, the infinity of possibility at rest. This is just a simple analogy, so hold on. Matter is created from the second point, forming a line. Move that line now and you get a plane. The plane is created one slice at a time as it moves. Now create cube, expanding from all sides of the plane and you have slices again in three dimensions. From these three dimensions, we get form of all types. Now move that form and you get a slice of time. The form moves by possibility, just as the form was created from possibility. Although we are connected to God as the first separate point, our point had to be less than Him to be different. Think of all of this happening at one time by the process of light and wave. Particle and wave duality is what makes up light. Each particle has an associated wave. A galaxy is a toilet that flushes backwards at first, then rolls back on itself creating form by streaming data as it drains back to the source. As above, so below. One side of the universe, through an opening between, then back again. Zero point of infinity in the middle.

Now you get deeper into the process. The particle and wave is streaming data that works from the first dimension out through all the dimensions. As it produces form in the simple process above, we get layers of structure in a fractal. Again, this is simplified as a symbol. If there were second dimensional creatures, they see the second dimensional plane unfold a slice at a comparative time. The third dimension sees the slices of the fourth dimension of movement. Movement is the key. To create form, there must be movement in counter-motion to the first fixed dimension in a vortex. The spin we see display in the golden ratio and in DNA is evidence of the double helix pattern used by the wave to form matter. You only see a slice of everything that exists. There is another half. Google 'tree of life' and then look at the tree and the roots below. It all starts below and then streams up to infinity in forms that come from infinite possibility by collapsing wave function (best analogy we have). All of this arises from the other side where all possibility and infinity is at rest, in all states possible at once. We are merely a reflection of that in parts. We define this as imperfection. On the other side, we are a complete sculpture. Our consciousness merely rides the wave of possibility. It's always now.

But wait, there's more. Entropy heads to decay and disorder. Consciousness, which is directly connected to the original state of infinity at rest, is able to move back against the flow of imperfection to realize this movement back as a journey. The laws that govern the process are set to react when you act, keeping you on a path of movement against death and decay, while the body is used up along the way. This is what we see as punishment. Reward is what we see when we achieve back-flow. Providence is what we call chance. This is the designer from the state of rest acting through the state of imperfect possibility. God, the governor of it all. Love, the state of rest. Hope, the movement back to Love.

Read 1 Corinthians 13. Read Genesis 1 (Light). Read John 1 (Wave). Read the Bible for all it's worth.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Hello SuperiorEd

I had to read that 3 times to get a handle on it, much of this sounds real to me, such as the flow in a galaxy mirrors my thoughts on magnetism.




Our consciousness merely rides the wave of possibility


in a nutshell

This is a very sound theory and thought provoking. I am a Christian in belief but also a searcher of the mechanism that makes reality what it is. I noticed your reference to the bible and find it interesting that you make a connection between the bible and your theory.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Thanks. It seems obvious. My theory is that light is in a double helix and DNA only mirrors this in three dimensions. Physics says that sound and light are waves, but we only sense a slice. They are in a double helix and represent streaming data, just like DNA. Light is Genesis ch 1. Fiat lux. Wave is logos, Word, and Christ manifest in human form. Christ represented the perfection within imperfection, redeeming our flow from the direction it was (still is) heading. Light is carried by wave in a streaming vortex. God placed His fingerprint on the OT and the NT knowing someone would find it. The language is information and light, the fundamentals of all programming. We mirror below, as above with our own creations.


Originally posted by kennyb72
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Hello SuperiorEd

I had to read that 3 times to get a handle on it, much of this sounds real to me, such as the flow in a galaxy mirrors my thoughts on magnetism.




Our consciousness merely rides the wave of possibility


in a nutshell

This is a very sound theory and thought provoking. I am a Christian in belief but also a searcher of the mechanism that makes reality what it is. I noticed your reference to the bible and find it interesting that you make a connection between the bible and your theory.
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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It is good to see someone making the connection between religion and quantum science. I have a feeling over time mainstream science will start to see the connection between our spirituality and our physicality.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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One can only hope. Likely it will be a Hebrew fisherman, shepherd or carpenter in his garage who will produce the final equation and understanding. Zero is all numbers and nothing at the crossroads of the line in the middle. This is the symbol that says it all. Potential can go either direction but rests at the line that divides. Take all numbers on either side of this line, add them together and you are back at rest. Atonement is at-one-ment. All degrees above and below in degrees from zero. Alpha and Omega. Good and Evil. Hot and Cold.


Originally posted by kennyb72
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It is good to see someone making the connection between religion and quantum science. I have a feeling over time mainstream science will start to see the connection between our spirituality and our physicality.
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Zero is all numbers and nothing at the crossroads of the line in the middle. This is the symbol that says it all. Potential can go either direction but rests at the line that divides. Take all numbers on either side of this line, add them together and you are back at rest


I always found the law of average to be very mysterious. Flipping a coin over time always returns to zero. It is also interesting that conscious intention can influence the outcome, I have proven this to myself beyond doubt.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Absolutely. The idea that consciousness creates reality by collapsing the wave of probability only confirms that evolution is only a reflection of consciousness having a hand in the return flow. The material reality has nothing to do at all with creating the bio-mechanical suit that moves the observer around. I don't want to step on any toes here, but it is high time we open up to the other side of physics. Law and mathematics is only one slice that we see--the concrete aspect. There is a whole other side that we can only see with NOUS. Apart form using both images of the equation, we only see a slice that is obvious. Science tends to have a bias against metaphysics in any way, so it has missed the image in its complete form. My signature speaks to this problem. I believe bias to be the flaming sword in the middle of exoteric science and esoteric science. Remove the bias and the flaming sword reveals both sides. It's like lifting the veil on time and seeing your entire life as one sculpture form beginning to end. If we only thought of time as now, we would miss the implications of future and past. Even thought now is really all there is, our symbols of future and past are what gives us vision to take the next step. God is AMAZING!


Originally posted by kennyb72
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Zero is all numbers and nothing at the crossroads of the line in the middle. This is the symbol that says it all. Potential can go either direction but rests at the line that divides. Take all numbers on either side of this line, add them together and you are back at rest


I always found the law of average to be very mysterious. Flipping a coin over time always returns to zero. It is also interesting that conscious intention can influence the outcome, I have proven this to myself beyond doubt.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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The issue behind the dogma of science and maths is that it only considers the physical aspect of reality. Quantum science on the other hand delves into the metaphysical and yet I have heard very little from its proponents that make the connection between the spiritual and the physical. Is this perhaps because the boundaries of science forbid them to make the connection but in fact do personally see the obvious but are afraid to speak out.

I have always believed in God and the amazing connection to our physical reality and I have also seen how physics can contradict this. In my mind science is slowly catching up with the truth but it is so radical that many refuse to see it.





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