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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Many Christians worldwide have long celebrated Jesus' Last Supper on what is known as Maundy Thursday. However, a University of Cambridge scientist claims Jesus' last meal with his disciples was on Wednesday.


In the Bible's New Testament, passages from the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke say the Last Supper took place at the start of the Passover. However, a passage in the book of John says it took place before Passover.
Humphreys says the mix-up may have come because of different calendars. He says Jesus may have used an old-fashioned Jewish calendar rather than the official lunar calendar.


He believes April 5 should be the official date for the Easter holiday, when Christians believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

I know they want to get the date right but does this really change anything?
After 2000 years we find out the entire religion has been celebrating on the wrong day.
Another example was years ago, 20 to be exact, they acknowledged the world in fact does rotate around the sun and not vice versa. Religion is based on the same elements everything else is based on - common knowledge of the time.
I just don't get it, what does any of this matter in the context of modern society anymore?

What's next, is Christmas celebrated on the wrong day also? (much sarcasm)

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edit on 4/19/2011 by AnteBellum because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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The most important thing is that it is celebrated.
The Sabbath is actually Saturday but we use Sunday.



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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this is really a non issue
in the big scheme of things.



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Why do they waist there time with this and do something meaningful.

Maybe they should invest more resources to investigating the hidden archives - like that is going to happen!



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by AnteBellum


Many Christians worldwide have long celebrated Jesus' Last Supper on what is known as Maundy Thursday.


They do? I don't know a single one, but granted I'm not familiar with what's going on all over the world. There's some Night of the Radishes thing at Christmastime in Oaxaca, so go figure.


I know they want to get the date right but does this really change anything?


Nope, not for me. You know how historians are. There's a focus on accuracy and turning up stuff like that makes them happy. "Publish or perish", you know.

I personally think that there's way too much emphasis on "holy days" and "holy sites" and all that. If you're Christian, the place and time should be virtually irrelevant from a spiritual perspective, and if you're caught up in those sorts of external trappings you've really missed the point.

Then again, according to a whole lot of people, I'm destined for eternal torment so don't go by me.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Then again, according to a whole lot of people, I'm destined for eternal torment so don't go by me.


Depending which one of us gets there first, well get together and exchange torments!



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Here's the secret-

Neither of us is in for anything remotely like that.
Shhhh!



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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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I,said this on another thread,on this subject.Please read my answer..
,because the day,does mean something,Jesus said to remember his memorial,passover and the feast. He didn't say to remember his birthday.As for Christmas and EASTER,man kind changed the dates to fit their ways and to have holidays.They were brought from pagan beliefs,then put it to Jesus. that's why children,don't know the true meanings any more about what Jesus did for us. Very true,he was born,they even got that wrong,to have a holiday in the winter to fit their needs.Also to do the festivals of lights.Man kind has got so many things wrong,just so they can please their self. This is not what God said to do,or Jesus.When,judgement day,comes,God will ask why,we din't and then say he knows us not.For not going by his law.It almost sounds sacrilegious not to, doesn’t it? Does God really care if we dedicate a former pagan holiday in His name? After all, "That’s not what it means to me", right? But the real question is, “What does it mean to Him”? This teaching answers that question by going into great detail of the origins of both holidays and then goes straight to the scriptures to see what God has to say about it. You might be shocked to find out that God does have an opinion.
,please check this out,very interesting,also.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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The whole construction could begin to tremble because History is always composed from several views and parts and patches and there are millions of people who have Jesus as a reference. Maybe when they summed up the Official Bibile 300 years after they did some mistakes, that's why using the Bible as a Historical Source is -- dangerous to say the least.

And besides--- does it really matter if the Last Supper was on Monday or Wendneday? (and I would add, would it really matter if it didnt take place at all???) Well no, it wouldnt.

I always thinks this kind of news are only produced from University Teachers to sell some documentary rights to National Geographic or History Channel, but not strictly for the sake of History Science.

.I,found this person here saying this, by MonkeyWrench30 ,Here is what I,believe......
This subject is simple,if you want the true,EASTER DAY,GO BY THE HEBREW DAY,ITS THE BEST ANSWER,,,,,,,,,they go by the 360 days,we go by the 365 days.and our years are different.I,can find the sites if you need them.The 24th isn't the true memorial day,of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.Tuesday, April 19, 2011 Next
15 Nissan, 5771
Passover - 1st Day (2nd Seder tonight)The chronology of his death and resurrection is variously interpreted to be between AD 26 and 36, traditionally 33.
Easter marks the end of Lent, a forty-day period of fasting, prayer, and penance. The last week of the Lent is called Holy Week, and it contains Good Friday, commemorating the crucifixion and death of Jesus.2010 date April 4 (both Western and Eastern)
2011 date April 24 (both Western and Eastern)
2012 date April 8 (Western)
April 15 (Eastern)
Early Christians in Britain and Ireland also used a late 3rd century Roman 84-year cycle. They were suspected of being Quartodecimans, unjustly because they always kept Easter on a Sunday, although that Sunday could be as early as the fourteenth day of the lunar month. This was replaced by the Alexandrian method in the course of the 7th and 8th centuries. Churches in western continental Europe used a late Roman method until the late 8th century during the reign of Charlemagne, when they finally adopted the Alexandrian method. Since 1582, when the Catholic Church adopted the Gregorian calendar whilst the Eastern Orthodox and most Oriental Orthodox Churches retained the Julian calendar, the date on which Easter is celebrated has again differed
They keep changing,this is crazy.2012 April 8 April 15
2013 March 31 May 5
2014 April 20
2015 April 5 April 12
2016 March 27 May 1
2017 April 16
2018 April 1 April 8
2019 April 21 April 28
2020 April 12 April 19
2021 April 4 May 2
2022 April 17 April 24,Its simple,it has always been nisan 14,in ISRAEL,WHEN JESUS died at 3p.m.that friday...........But the English changed it to fit their ways.,,,,,,,,,,,,I,hope this helps about our true EASTER....

Yeshua could not have been our Passover Lamb until after He died which, in itself, renders moot the 13 Nisan "Passover feast that He supposedly ate with His disciples" viewpoint. None of the Passover Lambs up until then ever got to eat a Passover Seder because they WERE the Passover Seder. Scriptures say that the Passover lambs were to be kept until 14 Nisan and that the "appointed time" was twilight/dusk on the 14th day of the month: Leviticus 23: 5 "'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between sundown and complete darkness, comes Pesach for ADONAI. Numbers 9: 1 The LORD spoke to Moses in the Desert of Sinai in the first month of the second year after they came out of Egypt. He said, 2 "Have the Israelites celebrate the Passover at the appointed time. 3 Celebrate it at the appointed time, at twilight on the fourteenth day of this month, in accordance with all its rules and regulations." 4 So Moses told the Israelites to celebrate the Passover, 5 and they did so in the Desert of Sinai at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. The Israelites did everything just as the LORD commanded Moses. "Twilight/dusk" happens only once per day, and it happens towards the end of a day - no matter what calendar we use! Since God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, why would He allow the Passover Lamb to partake of the Passover meal on the evening of 13 Nisan, hours BEFORE He was killed on the cross - which would have, in effect, changed God's appointed Passover time? And if it HAD been allowed, wouldn't Yeshua have said, "From now on, Passover is to be on the eve of 13 Nisan"? Yeshua NEVER went against His Father's Torah! Scriptures indicate that since Yeshua was our Passover Lamb who, according to the Torah had to die on Nisan 14 when the traditional Passover lambs were slain and eaten on the same evening (as outlined in Exodus 12:5-8 and Numbers 28:16-17), then He would not and could not have partaken of Passover on that particular year because He was crucified before the Yahweh-commanded 14 Nisan "twilight/dusk" Passover meal! In order to figure this out, we need only to study the Bible in context and do a little arithmetic. The Bible tells us that Passover is always on Nisan 14. Numbers 28:16-17 says: "In the first month on the 14th day of the month is ADONAI's Pesach (Passover). On the 15th day of the month is to be a feast." The Scriptures verify this several times. On the 14th, as Yahweh instructed, His people were to slaughter the lamb toward twilight/dusk toward the evening and eat it "that same night" - because the 15th was to be a feast: Exodus 12: 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight ("Twilight" of the 14th doesn't happen until 24 hours later, just before the 14th turns into the 15th!). 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the door frames of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night (of the 14th to the 15th) they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. Note again that we are told to slaughter the lambs at twilight on the "fourteenth day of the month". The Scripture does not say, "at twilight on the thirteenth day going in to the 14th day of the month". (On the Biblical calendar, a "day" begins at sunset/twilight and ends at sunset/twilight 24 hours later.) To clarify this further, Yahweh said that the 15th day is to be a feast: Numbers 28: 16 Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD'S Passover. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. Please study this for yourselves, but it seems somehow we are misunderstanding the Gospels because, at first glance, there seems to be an inconsistency in the passage of time between "the first day of Passover" and the time that Yeshua was actually crucified. One must pay very close attention in order to see that the Jews were in the process of preparing for the Passover, and that Yeshua was THE Passover Lamb who had to be killed on 14 Nisan as the Bible indicates - and therefore: He could not have shared a Passover meal with His disciples on 13 Nisan, because it was not yet Passover. He had to be DEAD in order to be THE Passover Lamb. How could He possibly partake of the Passover Seder if He was dead? For instance, in both Luke 22:1-13 and Mark 14:12-18 we are told it was "the day of Passover" when Yeshua shared his meal with the the Talmedim (disciples) - but when checking closely, we realize something is "off" because if it was the day of Passover, then Yeshua would have died that same day! But, at the time he ate with his Talmidim, He hadn't yet been arrested, much less tried, convicted and executed.... Upon closer examination, we see that these Scriptures do NOT actually say that Yeshua and His disciples ate a Passover meal, but rather that they "prepared" for the Passover. And nowhere do we see that Yeshua held an actual Passover Seder meal, performing any of the 15 traditional symbolic steps. We are told that He reclined with His disciples on the evening of the day He had ordered them to prepare for the Passover and at that time He explained to them the symbolism of the wine and matzah. This was a memorial meal! Luke 22: 15. And he said to them, I have greatly desired that I eat this Paskha with you before I suffer. 16. I say to you for that from now on I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of Elohim. In the above we can see that Yeshua stated that, despite His desire, the Father had other plans - which included that Yeshua suffer. Therefore, He wouldn't be celebrating the Passover with them again until He celebrates it with them in the coming Millenium or the kingdom. At some point He must have referred to this meal as a Passover preparation, or else the disciples wouldn't have known what He wanted prepared. Preparation Day is always on the afternoon of the 14th, with the lambs' slaughter followed by the meal later - towards twilight - just before the 14th turns into the 15th. Yeshua who was to be THE Passover Lamb had a "Memorial Meal" 24 hours earlier, on the 14th just after sunset on the 13th. John 18 and 19 tells us that Yeshua was sentenced, tried, convicted and crucified on the "day of Passover" which the Bible tells us is always 14 Nisan! See for yourselves: John 18: 28 They led Yeshua from Kayafa to the governor's headquarters. By now it was early morning. They did not enter the headquarters building because they didn't want to become ritually defiled and thus unable to eat the Pesach meal. John 19: 14 ...it was about noon on Preparation Day of Pesach. He said to the Judeans, "Here's your king!" 15 They shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Put him to death on the stake!" Pilate said to them, "You want me to execute your king on a stake?" The head cohanim answered, "We have no king but the Emperor." 16 Then Pilate handed Yeshua over to them to have him put to death on the stake.

In order to help us understand this properly, we need to examine the timeline in scripture backwards from the time Mary Magdalene found that Yeshua was missing from His grave early on the first day of the week (what we call "Sunday"). According to the account in all the Gospels, the timeline from that Sunday morning, back to when Yeshua was arrested, tried, convicted and executed, would have fallen on a Wednesday, which John 18:28 and 19:14 confirm was on Nisan 14. Thus Yeshua's final meal with the Talmedim must have been the evening before.

Yeshua was in the grave three days and three nights. As the Passover Lamb He had to die on Nisan 14 (Passover) during the High Holy Days (see Leviticus 23:5). That means He was in the grave just before sunset on Wednesday night, according to Scripture (John 19:31); all day Thursday and Thursday night; all day Friday and Friday night, and all day Saturday (as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights) until just before sunset on Saturday when He was resurrected. (For a complete indepth explanation on this, please see our article On What Day Was Our Savior Resurrected?)

(As an aside, one has to wonder why there are the apparent discrepancies of Luke 22 and Mark 14 regarding the day Yeshua ate with his disciples before the Crucifixion. We get a clue by carefully examining Mark 16. Note that many Bible versions [including Stern's Complete Jewish Bible] include footnotes explaining that "Mark 16, verses 9-20 are found in many ancient Greek manuscripts but not in the two oldest ones"....Who added these extra Scriptures and when and why? It should not then come as a surprise that the translations of Luke 22 and Mark 16 might have similarly been altered over the centuries causing the confusion about the day of Yeshua's last meal.)

The above is certainly not an easy concept to grasp, but the bottom line is: Yeshua died on the first evening of Passover, and Passover seders are to be held on the evening (sunset) of Nisan 14th, for the 15th (which starts immediately after sunset) is to be a feast (Numbers 28:16-17)."...........I,believe this all to be true........I,have read a lot books on this,also,I,have a JEWISH friend,he told me this to.He has been teaching me this,about passover and the true feasts.This is very interesting stuff,about Jesus and God. So,I,have it first hand,not just from books,or hear say.I,spoke with his parents to.My friend is in his 50's.He is a Russian Jew,born here ,in USA.
,They are doing passover now,this week.



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