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Originally posted by debris765nju
The simplest explanation is that when someone sees someone else doing something they themselves don't do, it becomes unnatural.
Originally posted by bandito
My girlfriend and i do things that you won't even see on National Geographic Explorer among the animals of Africa so we're probably unnatural.
Originally posted by Abe7Fig
reply to post by Julio
I can't believe I'm about to make a Tolkein reference, but the situation reminds me of his cosmology... DOT DOT TOLKIEN QUOTE DOT DOT But I digress!
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by Julio
Perhaps we should define what we mean by the word "natural". It does not mean organic, it refers to being in conformance with the laws of nature. What then are the laws of nature, newtonian physics perhaps. The laws that work on an atomic and larger scale are "natural laws". So unnatural things would therefore be things that must fail because they are not sustainable, the law eventually catches up with them, when it doesn't then it is unnatural or supernatural.
The way things work on a subatomic level is viewed by quantum physics and it on that level things are supernatural and go beyond the natural laws. I particularly like the "spooky effect". There was a religious group of people known as the Shakers (made good chairs by the way) and they did not believe people should have children, they died off. Their rule was unnatural and unsustainable, you don't meet many shakers anymore.
Thats my shot at it.
Originally posted by Redevilfan09
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR
Its the same as you losing an eye, your eye was natural, The glass one which you can not see out of to replace your eye is Artificial or un-natural. The only purpose it serves to you is to make you look like you have two eyes, and look like everyone else. Breast Implants are Artificial, Plastic surgery is Artificial. They are created from natural things, but they are Artificial(un-natural).
Please correct me if I'm off track here anyone and I'll shut up. cheers.
Originally posted by Epiphron
But, for the sake of entertainment and ridiculous speculation, we could say that anything that has never been thought before is unnatural. For example, I have never thought of a giant white snake with seven arms and feathers sticking out of its eyes, so up until this second, it was unnatural, but not anymore since it now exists in thought form, and we think naturally, therefore our thoughts are natural.
So to answer your question: something becomes unnatural when it no longer exists in any form, because if it exists, it can only have come into existence naturally.
Originally posted by Cuervo
Wow, this thread's timing is strange. My wife and I have an ongoing debate about this very thing. I finally came to a conclusion last week after a long pondering. My understanding of nature has changed after gaining a more cosmic perspective of the universe. See, everything that exists, came from hydrogen, helium, and a wee bit of lithium. Every other element was created by stardust that was made of those three ingredients. So, when we talk about "nature", anything that is not one of those three elements, is unnatural. The question is how many level removed from nature is it?
Everything is a product of something. The OP mentioned bees making honey which is an excellent example. Even a tree is unnatural as it wasn't something that existed until fairly recently (in the big picture) but we consider it "nature". We consider anything that is not man-made as "nature". I think that is very unfair. Anything molded by a human's hands is the epitome of nature. Those things are a direct effect from a natural force: humanity. To say a car is unnatural is to say humanity is unnatural. I just don't buy it.
Now, show me an alien from some other dimension, made of some strange unknown element, and we can agree that it is not natural.
"To say a car is unnatural is to say humanity is unnatural. I just don't buy it."
Originally posted by Redevilfan09
reply to post by Cuervo
You are right, I mean if we didn't destroy stuff, how could we re-create stuff, it is human nature.. With the animals destroying there eco-systems can you give me a couple of examples of this happening so I can get a better idea of what you are saying, cheers
Originally posted by Redevilfan09
reply to post by Cuervo
You are right, I mean if we didn't destroy stuff, how could we re-create stuff, it is human nature.. With the animals destroying there eco-systems can you give me a couple of examples of this happening so I can get a better idea of what you are saying, cheers