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Circumcision is such a brutal thing, and IMO nothing short of child abuse. I can never understand what it's based on religously, I mean why would god even give you a foreskin just to be chopped off when your a baby and don't understand anything of what's going on? Crazy
Is it, , Religious mmm so why do Australian Aborigines practice this custom, they were around lot longer before any Jew or Egyptian for that matter, anyway we will move on you have your own theory on life
Some tribes subincise (slit underneath), not just the foreskin, but most of the length of the penis, opening up the urethra. The reason given for the operation is to draw blood for ritual uses, but that does not explain why so much is done, and just there.
North-western tribes circumcise, and they believe the foreskin turns into a bat (it is elastic like a bat's wing), a symbol of death, because the initiation is seen as a kind of death. You may say that is "primitive", but very similar imagery is used when nuns prostrate themselves, "dying to this world," (and looking very like bats!) to take their vows.
It has been suggested that - contrary to the common view that Aboriginal culture has been isolated since time immemorial, with a commonly quoted figure of 40,000 years - circumcision was brought to Australia by traders from the Indonesian archipelago. Australian Aboriginals from other areas are reported to protest that in general, they did NOT traditionally practise circumcision. Like the Tikopians, Aboriginals place immense importance on their initiation rituals, but their circumcision, where it occurs, is only the beginning of a long period spent apart from the tribe, being instructed in tribal secrets. Little was known about these rites until they were studied by late 19th - early 20th century anthropologists, and they did not affect European practice.
Originally posted by halfoldman
I've read accounts by doctors in the British colonial armies of the horrors befalling uncircumcised men in desert or tropical situations. I cannot repeat the details here, but it is gruesome.
Suffice to say that sand under the foreskin is not a pleasant or healthy experience, and the British had major circumcisions drives in the late 19th century.
Strange, before that, in Europe (especially Spain) being circumcised could attract the attention of the Inquisition.
Hence, the statues of David are all ironically uncut.
Many of out local black tribes in SA also practice it, however usually as part of a puberty initiation into manhood. In fact dozens of boys die every year from infections and complications.
King Shaka stopped the custom for Zulu boys, since the healing time took too long and prevented young men from entering battle.
Now there is a major drive in SA for clinic-based circumcisions, since it apparently lowers the spread of HIV.
HIV is spread to men (through vaginal sex) via cells at the bottom of the foreskin, and the juices remaining in the prepuce. Circumcision also hardens the glans, which prevents fissures. However, critics say this only marginally lowers risk, and may encourage a false sense of security.
I was circumcised for medical reasons, and it didn't prevent me from getting the virus.
I must say though that I don't like uncircumcised men - it looks ugly and unclean.
In the mines uncircumcised men slept apart, since others said they stink.
People didn't always have access to daily washing.
One should recall that the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years without any wet-wipes.edit on 16-4-2011 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lifttheveil
reply to post by halfoldman
I wasn't aware that there are medical grounds for circumcision, I thought it was all based on religion, I even understand in some religions it's done to reduce pleasure during intercourse in later life as it's a sinful thing?