reply to post by P3ACE0WAR
If the video is correct and blew that tank up to scraps, then that bus should have been shredded!!
Israel lies again (?) exposed, page 1
Topic started on 14-4-2011 @ 08:05 AM by P3ACE0WAR
Since the school bus attack, I have seen Zionist supporters argue that yes Palestinians do deliberately target civilians, and they give example of the
school bus which was supposedly hit by an anti-Tank missile.
Anti-Tank missiles are guided, usually laser guided. It didn't stop Zionists in the past from accusing Palestinians of deliberately targeting civilians, even though with rockets and mortars, you can't choose targets. This time they have evidence, or do they?
As Israel's foreign ministry of affairs reports, "An anti-tank missile fired at a clearly marked yellow school bus driving near the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council wounded two people. One of the wounded, a 16-year old school-boy, is in critical condition." (Source)
Firstly I'm not quiet sure whether Israeli buses are armored or not, but it is relevant to find out, so I did a research and find that some school buses are armored in Israel, but only against small arms and IEDs. (Picture Below)
(Source)
Whether this bus was armored or not is still a mystery, but I find one source which claims the bus which was bombed wasn't armored, but the source isn't specific, it doesn't say which bombing it was. I checked the date and concluded that it must have been the current one since no other school bus bombings have occurred in current time frame (?).
The date of the news is "04.07.11", and time, "16:08".
(Source) (?)
So it kinda establishes that the bus wasn't armored, that is relevant because we are talking about an anti-Tank missile.
An anti-Tank missile is capable of destroying a "heavily-armored military vehicles" (Source. As you can see the damage in the back of the bus, considering that it wasn't armored (?), an anti-Tank missile would do way more damage. The image of the bus shows that the weapons hasn't even pierced through the back of the bus completely, only one layer has been destroyed.
This is conclusive to me that this was not an anti-Tank missile, below is a video of an anti-Tank missile and the damage it can do.
If I have missed any information which might change my conclusion, please don't hesitate to post it. I'm thinking hard what else I could have missed, that might have led the Israeli authorities to a different conclusion than mine. Please do post it if I have missed something.
Anti-Tank missiles are guided, usually laser guided. It didn't stop Zionists in the past from accusing Palestinians of deliberately targeting civilians, even though with rockets and mortars, you can't choose targets. This time they have evidence, or do they?
As Israel's foreign ministry of affairs reports, "An anti-tank missile fired at a clearly marked yellow school bus driving near the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council wounded two people. One of the wounded, a 16-year old school-boy, is in critical condition." (Source)
Firstly I'm not quiet sure whether Israeli buses are armored or not, but it is relevant to find out, so I did a research and find that some school buses are armored in Israel, but only against small arms and IEDs. (Picture Below)
"An armoured bus or armored bus is a type of bus which provides increased protection for passengers, usually against small arms and improvised explosive devices."
(Source)
Whether this bus was armored or not is still a mystery, but I find one source which claims the bus which was bombed wasn't armored, but the source isn't specific, it doesn't say which bombing it was. I checked the date and concluded that it must have been the current one since no other school bus bombings have occurred in current time frame (?).
The date of the news is "04.07.11", and time, "16:08".
"Yoav Peled, the security officer of Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council, told Channel 10 TV that the school bus that was bombed earlier was not armored."
(Source) (?)
So it kinda establishes that the bus wasn't armored, that is relevant because we are talking about an anti-Tank missile.
An anti-Tank missile is capable of destroying a "heavily-armored military vehicles" (Source. As you can see the damage in the back of the bus, considering that it wasn't armored (?), an anti-Tank missile would do way more damage. The image of the bus shows that the weapons hasn't even pierced through the back of the bus completely, only one layer has been destroyed.
This is conclusive to me that this was not an anti-Tank missile, below is a video of an anti-Tank missile and the damage it can do.
If I have missed any information which might change my conclusion, please don't hesitate to post it. I'm thinking hard what else I could have missed, that might have led the Israeli authorities to a different conclusion than mine. Please do post it if I have missed something.
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14-4-2011 by P3ACE0WAR because: syntax
reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 08:16 AM by P3ACE0WAR
Originally posted by Alchemst7
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR
If the video is correct and blew that tank up to scraps, then that bus should have been shredded!!
Either the Zionist propagandists thought the lie wouldn't be exposed, or I'm clearly missing a critical piece of information which might change my conclusion when viewing all the information collectively.
Until that critical piece of information is brought forward, we can only believe that it was a lie, to justify their propaganda against Palestinians, hence "Hamas target civilians", while everyone knows you can't choose a target with rockets or mortars.
reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 08:17 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Alchemst7
Indeed there are conflicting reports. Depending on the source it was a laser guided missile (not sourced) anti tank missile (not sourced) rocket (not sourced) or mortar (not sourced)
And in reality unless it was a guided a missile I'm not sure how they targeted that bus. the last I read a Hamas cell claimed responsibility but were not clear in saying what the projectile was, or what it's intended target was.
If they indeed singled out this bus, well, wow they suck, little damage and they waited til the bus was about empty.
Don't worry, we're all antisemites for asking these questions and someone will surely come inform us of the fact soon
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With the following video understand I am in no way saying an eye for an eye mentality is acceptable. But the fact remains, Hamas doesn't even really have the ability to target soft targets in the manner they are being accused of. While Israel has the most advanced weaponry on earth and in no way can claim accidental civilian casualties:
Indeed there are conflicting reports. Depending on the source it was a laser guided missile (not sourced) anti tank missile (not sourced) rocket (not sourced) or mortar (not sourced)
And in reality unless it was a guided a missile I'm not sure how they targeted that bus. the last I read a Hamas cell claimed responsibility but were not clear in saying what the projectile was, or what it's intended target was.
If they indeed singled out this bus, well, wow they suck, little damage and they waited til the bus was about empty.
Don't worry, we're all antisemites for asking these questions and someone will surely come inform us of the fact soon
=====
With the following video understand I am in no way saying an eye for an eye mentality is acceptable. But the fact remains, Hamas doesn't even really have the ability to target soft targets in the manner they are being accused of. While Israel has the most advanced weaponry on earth and in no way can claim accidental civilian casualties:
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reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 08:19 AM by filosophia
On one hand the Palestinians are "enhancing their weapons arsenal" by having "Russian-grade missiles" but yet the anti-tank missile can not even
be called an anti-school bus missile. And miraculously no one died, just like the 8,000 other rocket attacks on Israel.
Fact: One forest fire in Israel (on Mt. Carmel) killed more people than 10 years of Palestinian rockets (42 died from the fire compared to 28 total deaths from rocket attacks, many of which were not Israeli deaths but foreigners).
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Fact: One forest fire in Israel (on Mt. Carmel) killed more people than 10 years of Palestinian rockets (42 died from the fire compared to 28 total deaths from rocket attacks, many of which were not Israeli deaths but foreigners).
www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 08:29 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Darkmask
It's hard to say a bus is a soft target, anti tank missiles are designed to penetrate armor, I can see the missile going right through the bus before exploding, leaving the small damage we can see in the pictures.
Hamas did take responsibility but Hamas was funded and setup by Mossad for these very ends, none of their actions benefit the Palestinians.
It's hard to say a bus is a soft target, anti tank missiles are designed to penetrate armor, I can see the missile going right through the bus before exploding, leaving the small damage we can see in the pictures.
Hamas did take responsibility but Hamas was funded and setup by Mossad for these very ends, none of their actions benefit the Palestinians.
reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 08:38 AM by archasama
reply to post by phishyblankwaters
Yup, I saw the same thing on Latvian TV show where they tested weapons on a car. Anti tank missile went right through and did not explode - doing minimal damage.
So if it wasn't some kind of heavy armor school bus - there's no way it'd explode from being hit by anti-tank missile.
Yup, I saw the same thing on Latvian TV show where they tested weapons on a car. Anti tank missile went right through and did not explode - doing minimal damage.
So if it wasn't some kind of heavy armor school bus - there's no way it'd explode from being hit by anti-tank missile.
reply posted on 14-4-2011 @ 11:16 AM by P3ACE0WAR
I think much of the propaganda lies lead towards another Gaza war, these lies are spread to gain moral support from inside and outside Israel:
(Source)
"The next round (of fighting) will be extensive and it should end in such a way where there is no doubt as to which side triumphed," Ynetnews quoted Ashkenazi as telling Israeli troops based near the coastal sliver on Wednesday.
(Source)
reply posted on 15-4-2011 @ 02:19 AM by xuenchen
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I see 2 different articles, both from Israeli sources that have clear conflicts ........ !!!!!
1. from "israel insider"
2. from "Ministry of Foreign Affairs"
then we see pics with teddy bears.
if all the kids were off the bus, WHY so many toys left behind ????
and in one pic from "Ministry of Foreign Affairs" we see the bus on a road.
www.mfa.gov.il...
and in another pic from "Alternet" we see the same bus ??? on what looks like a different road ???
www.alternet.org...
and a third pic from a post from another thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
shows the bus on a road with a double center-lane line.
the pic from the "Ministry of Foreign Affairs"
www.mfa.gov.il...
we see the road has a single center-lane line ***???!!!!!!!
can somebody get all the bus pictures in one place and let's see the real "picture" !!!
I see 2 different articles, both from Israeli sources that have clear conflicts ........ !!!!!
1. from "israel insider"
One or more terrorists fired a powerful anti-tank weapon at a bus carrying Israeli children home from school, injuring several students, one critically.
It was the first time an anti-tank rocket has targeted a civilian vehicle. It reportedly was fired from behind the Gaza border.
The boy, 16, was wounded by shrapnel, causing him to lose consciousness. Even after an emergency operation, his condition remains critical.
2. from "Ministry of Foreign Affairs"
Two people were wounded on Thursday, 7 April 2011, by an anti-tank missile launched from the Gaza Strip at a yellow school bus near the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council. One of the injured, a 16 year-old boy, is in critical condition. He was airlifted to Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba, where he is currently being treated for severe trauma. The driver was lightly wounded.
The teenager, Daniel Viflic, had been visiting his grandmother for a few days, and went for a ride with the bus driver, who is a friend of the family. The driver had finished dropping off the last school children five minutes before the bus was hit. Anti-tank missiles, unlike rockets and mortars, are accurate weapons fired at a chosen target.
then we see pics with teddy bears.
if all the kids were off the bus, WHY so many toys left behind ????
and in one pic from "Ministry of Foreign Affairs" we see the bus on a road.
www.mfa.gov.il...
and in another pic from "Alternet" we see the same bus ??? on what looks like a different road ???
www.alternet.org...
and a third pic from a post from another thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
shows the bus on a road with a double center-lane line.
the pic from the "Ministry of Foreign Affairs"
www.mfa.gov.il...
we see the road has a single center-lane line ***???!!!!!!!
can somebody get all the bus pictures in one place and let's see the real "picture" !!!
reply posted on 15-4-2011 @ 02:52 AM by twitchy
Originally posted by Wildbob77
First, there has never been a state of Palestine.
That's complete bologna. Herodotus, Josephus, Pliny... do yourself a favor and try reading some history that wasn't printed by Zionist revisionists in the last fifty years, Pallestine has been around since about 1000 BC. You don't erase history with an edict, even if you owned every printing press in the world.
I had a thread up a while back the OP might find of interest...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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