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Originally posted by ReaPErofSIN
you get a [color=gold]better education but at the expense of learning a [color=gold]false religion and following a false god.
Originally posted by Whatsreal
Do you remember who had the power when you were a student? I graduated HS in 2000 and I remember that in elementary and middle school the Teacher had almost absolute power and control over classrooms ( I left out HS because I went to military school, my own choice as I wasn't a 'bad kid' ). A Teacher's word was unquestioned. Punishments were allowed and did not require an administrator's approval.
I assume a majority of you ATSers out there are past college age, though I know there is a good number of High School and College types that read these forums. Most of you will remember school the same way I do. There were always the rebellious few who made things interesting, but for the most part there was order.
In today's classroom there is chaos and disorder. Teachers are afraid to say anything to misbehaving students because the kids go home and tell mommy or daddy some story, and these parents call the administrators to complain. Before a teacher even gets to tell their side of the story there is already a write up or investigation.
Here is a great example from my own experience:
A Short Example…
I worked in an inner city school with 8th graders at a K-8 school. 85% of the population is considered impoverished. A student who preferred to walk the halls instead of learning Algebra would always come in late and disrupt the class. One day he walked in and started going around knocking student's notebooks off their desks. I stopped the lesson to address his behavior by asking him to leave the room if he had no intention of learning. He started to walk next to me toward the door but quickly turned away to knock more books off desks. The second time I got him to follow me I gently placed my hand between his shoulders to ensure he wouldn't run back in again. On the way I said to him "if this is how you are going to act in school you will never amount to anything and just wind up as a bum under the 'el' (the school is right under the elevated train). Is that what you want?"
The next day I received a memorandum in my mailbox that I need to show up for an investigatory conference for alleged child abuse both verbal and physical. I was never asked what happened from my side. I had 3 different students write statements as to what they witnessed which proved I did nothing wrong. At the conference the Principal ripped up those statements and said they were worthless because I may have coached them and he honestly didn’t care about my side of the story.
This is just one small example from that school where there are 100s of these kinds of stories from this year alone. Now I’m just one Teacher in a district of over 14000 Teachers so you can imagine often these things go on. Also important to note, I was considered a pretty decent Teacher and been told I have good classroom management by many teacher coaches.
Example of a good punishment…
My wife also works at the same school. Just the other week she had a class of 3rd graders in her digital art lab. The 3rd graders were acting nuts and she had trouble gaining control of the class. So she shut off the computers, made them take out a piece of paper and gave them all 3 sentences to write 10 times each for the rest of the period. This week they showed up and were perfect little angels. When she shared this story with 2 other teachers they told her that she cannot use corporal punishment and that she should consider herself lucky the admins do not know about it.
WHAT?!!?!?!?!?!?! An effective punishment is wrong?
Teachers are afraid of students because one word from a student or parent can end a career. Administrators do not care what Teachers have to say and just act on the word of a student or parent. I have gotten out of Teaching because I couldn’t stand having my heart and spirit broken every day. I got into teaching because I wanted to make a difference. My heart breaks for the good kids who come to school and try their best to learn something amidst the chaos.
So does anyone remember pink slips? Well they are still around but are completely ineffective. Teachers are told to document everything. Pink slips are supposed to be used for major infractions only. I would say play or real fighting in class, bullying, outright disrespect of a teacher by cussing them out count as major. However, these pink slips many times just disappear because they make the school look bad and in turn the Principal. The worst is children can threaten and physically attack teachers, and the teacher will get in trouble if they defend themselves.
Administrators are more concerned with 'data' than with actual education. Data is used under No Child Left Behind to determine how much funding a school will receive the following year. The most important factors are state standardized tests and the number of "serious incidents." So pink slips get swept under the rug. When this happens, the kid who should have been punished will walk back into class with . held high, chest out, and strutting with devious smiles because they ‘won’ and the teacher lost.
The dangerous side effect of such practices is that kids who would, under normal circumstances, do the right thing are now tempted to misbehave because they see there are no consequences or repercussions.
So what is a Teacher to do? How can we shift the balance of power back to the Teacher? And how can we stop everyone from trying to blame the Teachers? Is it possible to hold Parents responsible for not taking an active role in their children’s education? Can we go back to holding children accountable for their actions?
PS for anyone who may just accuse me of being bitter due to my personal experience not being so pleasant understand that I am not bitter at all. I am truly worried about the future of our nation because the “future leaders” as my 8th grade gym teacher used to call us are not learning anything.
Originally posted by Whatsreal
reply to post by ashnomadonte
The only way out of the situation is for parents to take the side of the teacher. If parents and teachers unite, kids will lose their power immediately as will the administrators!