Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study

I thought I would throw this in.

neuropolitics.org...

neuropolitics.org...

reply to post by Mr Tranny


lol - quit trying to be a troublemaker.

Let's look at HOW neuromarketing affects the brain's physical structure!!!

Originally posted by soficrow

Again, I am most interested in the effects of neuromarketing on the brain's physical structure - effects we may find this study actually documents. If the trash-talkers can get past their denials and biases long enough to take a real look at it.

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Your posting history says otherwise ...

What I find increasingly hilarious is that people are accusing FOX, & the right as introducing fear into people, and MSNBC, & the left as developing understandings of complex situations.

Give me a break. There's a certain level of complexity to the issues, but an extreme lack of common sense as well. I see supposedly intelligent people who are just as mindless & programmed into their views as those that watch FOX and are on the right.

Once you reach a certain level of complexity, you realize these issues are being used against the good of the people. They play us on an emotional, and instinctual (altruistic (left) or survival (right) ) level. Even if some reasoning is presented, it's mostly impractical, and nonsensical from a higher perspective.

It's as if people want to be associated with the left to appear complex, intelligent, and caring. If they actually did the work on their own, the more intelligent would likely conclude that IT"S JUST A GAME and we're pawns on the battlefield.

"there is a war going on for your mind. if you are thinking, you are winning...." --flowbots

THINK!!


edit to add, such a good video:

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by soficrow

Again, I am most interested in the effects of neuromarketing on the brain's physical structure - effects we may find this study actually documents. If the trash-talkers can get past their denials and biases long enough to take a real look at it.

Your posting history says otherwise ...

Like this, you mean?

From 2005: Neuro-Marketing: Straight to the Brain

The latest trends in advertising and marketing use neuroscience, and look beyond influencing our choices to directly affecting our brains at a physical level. Technology to monitor and alter brain waves dates back to the 1970's. Current research uses functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) to map the brain's responses to stimuli. In 2001, "The Brighthouse Institute for Institute for Thought Sciences" gave birth to the BrightHouse Neurostrategies Group, the first neuromarketing company, based in Atlanta. Last week, neuroscientist Baroness Susan Greenfield told the Institute of Direct Marketing how marketing can create new neuronal networks in the brain. Critics say using neuroscience to directly manipulate the brain is unethical and will be used to control our thinking, and voting too.

NOTE. I did NOT write these threads, which were posted 3 years later:

2008: FOX News caught using NLP Neuro-linguistic programming (robwerden)

What worries me is if NLP is being used by the networks, they can basically make anyone see what they want them to see.

2008: Advertisers to scan brain waves to improve marketing. (MemoryShock)

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The reason I posted that link is because I think it is a load of BS.
(laughs……)

Why does everyone that is in political, law, teaching, and scholarly work liberals?
That is left brain territory?

Why is all the areas that are occupied by right brain thinkers usually identified with conservative leanings.

I myself, am a heavily right brain conservative. I am an intuitive thinker with poor grammatical skills. I am a retarded gun clinging red neck that jumps to conclusions.


The point is a survey that is based on a 100, or even a 1000 people is too limited to gain any significant statistical value out of.

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Ahh. ...My right and left brain are almost equal - and sometimes I can actually feel the connections zinging back and forth. But as a result, my right-thinking friends accuse me of being a socialist, while my left-thinking friends say I'm a libertarian or worse(!), an anarchist. lol ...I say I'm an artist - and don't fit a standard mold.

the article has already served its purpose on multiple forums that I have seen it posted on.

divide and conquer

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I'd say conervatives focus on survival while liberals analyze the concept.

Therefore, conservatives survive while the liberal is pondering the concept while the grizzley is gnawing on the liberals' femur.

Here is another way to look at the same idea.

Imagine a random population of folks is deposited in an untamed, undeveoped massive territory with two shores.

There will be those who by genetic disposition cling to civilization and root themselves on the shore they were deposited on and build cities...and there will be those who say what's next? What on the other side? Let's go ......West. Those people are adventurers and problem solvers. Amongst that population, some will leave the Westward caravan and simply appreciate the wilds on thier own, opt to settle some vast unoccupied portion of the wilderness...others with the most aggressive adventurers spirit will drive as far West as they can. Fast forward a few hundred years and those folks of a specific genetic disposition will have concentrated themselves on the opposite shore of the massive wilds. California. While the more independant, go-it-alone types will have settled somewhere along the way.

Conservatives...Independant survivors in hostile territory, want to be left alone.
Liberals...adventurers with a strong drive for progress and what is next. California...silicon valley...liberal.

Take a look at an elecoral map and it shows the migration and resultant concentrations well...

www.stateofsunshine.com...

Not saying I buy it all, and it is one hell of a generalization, but an interesting theorey all the same.

I will say this...the brain is plastic and research shows that our "fear centers" do grow larger when we are fed a constant diet of fear rhetoric. It is a self perpetuating phenomena and a powerful tool of oppression. Fear is an emotion that is hard wired for survival purposes to overide rational thought and thus is ripe for politicians to exploit. Fear makes us stop thinking...and all of us should hold up our middle finger when our leaders tell us with no uncertain terms to "Be Afraid"...that should be our que to stop and think.

this thread was a good laugh for me are you people serious? well of course you are

and most people liberals believe this what more proof of elitism do we all need. the left is always better than the right.

all i have to do is say one name to validate or dismiss this study NANCY PELOSI!!!

miss " we have to pass the bill before we know whats in the bill"

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by soficrow

 

I'd say conervatives focus on survival while liberals analyze the concept.

Therefore, conservatives survive while the liberal is pondering the concept while the grizzley is gnawing on the liberals' femur.

I think there is a nugget of truth there.

Let's just generalize for the sake of argument.

Bear attacks an extreme liberal and a conservative...the liberal ponders the situation, attempts to empathize with the bear and the conservative simply shoots it or runs leaving the liberal to be eaten.

OK. But when life is not as simple as a bear attacking? Well that complex thinking ability creates computers and finds cures for diseases...it builds cities.

This is why President Bush had outstanding approval ratings (left and right) after 9-11 and the invasion of Afghanistan...it was the "You want me on that wall!!" moment. It wasn't until the fear and anger dissapated slightly until people left and right started to think WTF.

People on the far left and the far right are different in many ways...and believe it or not I think we need eachother...hard core pragmatism reigning in imaginative "progress". My issue with the current state of politics is the lack of conversation between the opposing views, which leads to gridlock rather than optimal outcome.

They are different brains. Two different types of mental illness. Diss a right-winger he`ll shoot you. Diss a left-winger he`ll shoot himself.

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Nice thread. I always like threads like this. I have seen the studies, and not only are they individually convincing, but they also overlap and reinforce other studies. Such as;

www.livescience.com...

Often fear of death is tempered by a religious belief in the afterlife or the soul, but none of the ideas (intelligent design, evolutionary theory and naturalism) supposedly hold religious overtones or claim the existence of an afterlife. Still, belief that life is guided by a creator is enough to help dull this fear of mortality, Tracy said.

So you get studies linking fear and conservative politics, and fear linking to religiosity, and you get a pretty good image of why the conservative, religious sorts also tend to be war mongers. Fear leads to aggression in animals. Its just how it works.

Of course getting this data should give the more liberal a clue how to deal with their more fearful brother and sister, and "attacking" them, is probably not going to mitigate their fear and aggression. One would assume the intellectual version of a xanax might be more effective.

And, there are positive qualities linked to this type of individual too. While they exhibit high degrees of hostility and violence towards those they see as "others" they are very good generally, at in group cooperation.

www.umass.edu...

Originally posted by maybereal11

This is why President Bush had outstanding approval ratings (left and right) after 9-11 and the invasion of Afghanistan...it was the "You want me on that wall!!" moment. It wasn't until the fear and anger dissapated slightly until people left and right started to think WTF.

People on the far left and the far right are different in many ways...and believe it or not I think we need eachother...hard core pragmatism reigning in imaginative "progress". My issue with the current state of politics is the lack of conversation between the opposing views, which leads to gridlock rather than optimal outcome.

Well said. That is exactly what we're missing in Obama. He analyzes. He postulates. He cogitates. He looks for consensus. He looks at options.

A leader acts. Obama reacts.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Bear attacks an extreme liberal and a conservative...the liberal ponders the situation, attempts to empathize with the bear and the conservative simply shoots it or runs leaving the liberal to be eaten.

OK. But when life is not as simple as a bear attacking?

To be honest, though, you are not analyzing the situation correctly. If a bear is attacking, both would likely act in very similar ways. Because our responses at that immediate level of threat are almost identical. The difference is what happens afterward.

A liberal and a conservative survive a bear attack. The liberal tells himself that bears are just bears, and they have a right to live too, and the liberal does nothing to prevent future attacks but perhaps modifies his/her own behavior a little.

The conservative, on the other hand, decides NO BEARS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE and attempts to kill every single bear on the planet to prevent that horror from ever happening again.

Where in truth, neither side has it totally correct. Which is likely WHY there are two kinds of us. We should be meeting in the middle, rather than both trying to argue their way is the right way. Its not. Liberals often are too lax, and too accepting, and not discriminate enough, and conservatives tend to be too reactive, and too discriminatory.

The middle way people. Its what its all about.

Originally posted by projectvxn
So what about those of us who used to be hardcore left leaning liberals who began to understand economics?

My understanding of the complexity of economics is the reason I process the fear that one day soon these stupid liberal policies will bankrupt us all.

I think this "study" is complete BS.

Hard core left leaning liberal

Are you taking about in your previous life matie?



Ya and that this debt model was created by conservatives most championed president and purveyor of conservatism, Ronald Reagan...

It is very clear that you ALL (can't think of one here) who truly grasps the rise of corporatism, its attack on the economy, liberty and conservatives role in this conveyor...

Your lasses faire policy in regards to big business nearly bankrupted us in a decade... did not want to regulate
or even question the bonus structures of those HARD WORKING FOLKS

You guys also seem to think that advocating better pay for the lower rungs i.e middle class is bad for the economy.

The incessent use of the word Socialism sums it up pretty well -

fear fear fear

there is also;

love love love

For the Billionaires and corporatists

Looking at a large cross section of modern conservative history tells the tale

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I certainly was at one point...but no one's perfect.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


While fear may lead to aggression, it's certainly not the only source. Think: psychopath. No true fear, yet tremendous aggression at times.

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The concept of the "middle way" - aka moderation - just came up in another thread too.

What a thought.