Originally posted by SorensDespair
All I've read so far is that people kill people. Their religious beliefs are only a means to displace the blame from the individual or group to a God that is often their own external manifestation of their superego. The same can be said for any justification for killing.

Religion is the excuse used.
American Christians murdered 5,000,000 Southeast Asian Buddhists during the VietNam war.

American Christians murdered 5,000,000 Southeast Asian Buddhists during the VietNam war.

I thought they were fighting communism. Vietnam was a religious war? Are you sure every american soldier was a christian fighting there because of his beliefs? That's news to me.

I don't know how many people theism has killed. Do you all think it is more, or less than people killed in the name of love, greed, or freedom?

I never hear "people claiming to protect their children have killed billions, thus protecting children is wrong".

Ideas have killed people. Some were really bad ideas. Some of those deaths are really wrong, although the idea behind the action that caused death wasn't. And there are a few deaths that were good things resulting from good ideas (like self-sacrifice to save other people)

As a Christian...I don't agree with your premise.

However, let's say there is no God... only science and scientific fact.

How many people has science killed. Let's go to only one event...oh, I don't know...how about Fukushima reactor meltdown. How many people in this one event...this one technology provided by the saving graces of science...How many people will die slow torturous deaths, cancers, tumors, birth defects, loss of ecosystems, loss of wildlife, sea life, how many people will be displaced by the wonders of science?

So, based on your paradigm... all scientists are responsible and share and bear the burden of the deaths and deaths yet to be from this one event. As such...all science is evil.

Oh oh! Blaming religion for something that is actually fundamental in the human race! The need to compete for resource and eliminate adversaries. Yes, sometime people make up religions in order to feel better about their killings, or they distort existing religions in order to fit their purpose.

Also claiming that WW2 was a religious war, this is non-sense. Third, we do not count the victims of communism in Eastern Europe ? the communist crimes were committed under the ground of atheism.

In the end, religious or not, humans do love to kill and dominate , conquer and subjugate.The domination game starts at home ,is well practised at work , is expanded in politics and finally highly weaponized in the army! The problem is deep in what we are as human specie , most of us being intelligent animals rather that evolved creatures. A specie in infancy, struggling to become adult and be welcomed in the universe.

Then it is false to it core beliefs, which then in turn makes it false Christianity.

After this biblical event warfare and even capital punishment were to cease, if people are using Theism to kill they are in direct violation of the bibles commands.

Matthew 26: 52 & 53

Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53 “Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

This shows that the time for man to fight for God's sovereignty on this earth with any weapon that causes death was over. Any christian that used swords and later guns was in direct violation of scripture and would never have God's blessing.


In fact those that kill there brother are condemned as the devils children, since our brothers encompass all mankind we can't be killing anybody or forcing Christianity, or a certain way of life on anybody, right now only God himself has that right, if Jesus didn't do it, should his true followers?

1 John 3: 10-12

This is how God's children and the devil's children are distinguished. No person who fails to practice righteousness and to love his brother is from God. 11 This is the message that you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who was from the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because what he was doing was evil and his brother's actions were righteous.

Theism would never have killed a soul if it had been practiced they way Jesus intended, instead some very evil men abused it, and yes they did kill billions, either directly or indirectly. And God hates it.
This is all part of the great Apostasy that scripture predicted.