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reply posted on 24-3-2011 @ 11:43 AM by DrCarter
reply to post by Vandettas


The guy is a fail, that is how you say that right, I can't keep up with the lingo anymore. I voted for him, jumped on the whole hope and change bandwagon with everyone else, but he failed. Failed on everything he said he was going to do. Wait he got universal health care right, sure but you are going to pay for it. As if you weren't going to be paying for it in the first place through taxes. Lets face it he may have had high ideas going in but they where easily forgotten for higher pay checks. Why bring up the health care bit, lets look at it shall we. Here is this plan for health care for Americans who can't afford it, note that part can't afford it, but we need Republican help to pass it. Battle battle, bicker bicker, and all for the public to witness, aw jeez I have to do something they are blocking me. I know I will let them help. The result you must purchase health care even if you could not afford it before. The republicans say, not to fear good citizens we will repeal it just put us back in charge. Well that happened, a token effort was given before the very lame, it will never pass so we give up excuse was given. They all suck that is all there is to it Obama is no exception and if he wasn't part of the problem in the beginning he certainly is now. I will let the patriot act expire he said, extended and strengthened it he did. I will bring our soldiers home he said, sent more he did and to yet another war. Yes another war because that is what it really is. Obama is a fail just like his predecessor and most likely his successor.


reply posted on 24-3-2011 @ 01:22 PM by jonnywhite
I"m not convinced going into Libya was a bad idea yet, but I'm not sold on anything. The rebels don't seem like peaceful protesters to me. They're armed and have access to weaponry and defenses that I don't think normal citizens would have access to. The feeling I'm getting from it is that whatever is going on over there has deep roots and didn't just happen one day. It seems more like a civil war or internal strife. Thusly, it's hard for me to support interferrence from the international community. Furthermore, if we're to interfere in this instance for the sake of the innocent peoples, then one must ask why we're not involved in a lot more wars of this sort. I must also ask how would we afford it. Can we be the police of the world? The UK and France cannot. The US is hte most highly funded and capable military in the world. And why're we not questioning whether enforcing a no-fly zone, which is essentially similar to declaring war on libya, is necessarily going to make things better? Libya has not directly attacked another nation. We know from history that war almost always has bad results. War is hell. Why would we then use war to settle something like this when the act itself might in fact make things worse than they're? War is something we should only do when it's absolutely necessary. The risks are too high.

No war is free. War is not precise like the justice system. We should use it carefully. Anytime we use it we risk making more enemies and/or killing innocents that we did not want to kill.
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reply posted on 24-3-2011 @ 02:04 PM by Analyze76
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I"m not convinced going into Libya was a bad idea yet, but I'm not sold on anything. The rebels don't seem like peaceful protesters to me. They're armed and have access to weaponry and defenses that I don't think normal citizens would have access to. The feeling I'm getting from it is that whatever is going on over there has deep roots and didn't just happen one day. It seems more like a civil war or internal strife. Thusly, it's hard for me to support interferrence from the international community. Furthermore, if we're to interfere in this instance for the sake of the innocent peoples, then one must ask why we're not involved in a lot more wars of this sort. I must also ask how would we afford it. Can we be the police of the world? The UK and France cannot. The US is hte most highly funded and capable military in the world. And why're we not questioning whether enforcing a no-fly zone, which is essentially similar to declaring war on libya, is necessarily going to make things better? Libya has not directly attacked another nation. We know from history that war almost always has bad results. War is hell. Why would we then use war to settle something like this when the act itself might in fact make things worse than they're? War is something we should only do when it's absolutely necessary. The risks are too high.

No war is free. War is not precise like the justice system. We should use it carefully. Anytime we use it we risk making more enemies and/or killing innocents that we did not want to kill.
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Look at the weapons and uniforms. This is what happens when Alfred E. Newman runs a covert operation.


reply posted on 24-3-2011 @ 03:19 PM by kinda kurious
reply to post by TheWalkingFox


You make excellent points but I respect you too much to spar. However weak my reasons are, they are my reasons. I'm no strict convert to conservatism nor traitor to the cause of progressivism, but I've run out of words to defend Obama any longer. I was like one of these folks:



We SHOULD NOT be involved in Libya and that is reason enough for me.

I remain a tree hugger and wear comfortable shoes.

Good Day. Respectfully...kk


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