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Originally posted by muppet
Great post ECK, and another book on my list. You got my Way Above vote for that
I have to dash out right now, but I'll add more later. I'm thinking along the lines of better way of learning and making it more fun. Mp3 unabridged audio history books on the net for example. Interactive online learning., discussion boards like these. The potential for what CAN be done is awesome.
[edit on 22-7-2004 by muppet]
Originally posted by RANT
With the Internet now though, I'd sooner kill myself than argue with a 20 year old know-it-all that's never read an entire book, but googled a gazillion out of context quotes to support whatever nonsense they espouse that particular day.
Fat lot of good my centuries old method of aquiring critical thinking skills did, when anyone over the age of 12 can type in "proof God exists" and come away with 40,000 links "proving" an opinion they have no intention of supporting themselves or arrived at with any logical effort whatsoever.
PREFACE
Coexistence on this tightly knit earth should be viewed as an existence not only without wars...but also without [the government] telling us how to live, what to say, what to think, what to know, and what not to know. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, from a speech given September 11, 1973.
For over a twenty-five-year period the research used in this chronology has been collected from many sources: the United States Department of Education; international agencies; state agencies; the media; concerned educators; parents; legislators, and talented researchers with whom I have worked for at least twenty-five years. In the process of gathering this information two beliefs that most Americans hold in common became clear:
1) If a child can read, write and compute at a reasonably proficient level, he will be able to do just about anything he wishes, enabling him to control his destiny to the extent that God allows (remain free).
2) Providing such basic educational proficiencies is not and should not be an expensive proposition.
Since most Americans believe the second premise-that providing basic educational proficiencies is not and should not be an expensive proposition-it becomes obvious that it is only a radical agenda, the purpose of which is to change values and attitudes (brainwash), that is the costly agenda. In other words, brainwashing by our schools and universities is what is bankrupting our nation and our children's minds.
In 1997 there were 46.4 million public school students. During 1993-1994 (the latest years the statistics were available) the average per pupil expenditure was $6,330.00 in 1996 constant dollars. Multiply the number of students by the per pupil expenditure (using old-fashioned mathematical procedures) for a total K-12 budget per year of $293.7 billion dollars. If one adds the cost of higher education to this figure, one arrives at a total budget per year of over half a trillion dollars. The sorry result of such an incredibly large expenditure-the performance of American students-is discussed on page 12 of Pursuing Excellence-A Study of U.S. Twelfth Grade Mathematics and Science Achievement in International Context: Initial Findings from the Third International Mathematics and Science Study [TIMMS], a report from the U.S. Department of Education (NCES 98-049). Pursuing Excellence reads:
Achievement of Students, Key Points: U. S. twelfth graders scored below the international average and among the lowest of the 21 TIMSS nations in both mathematics and science general knowledge in the final year of secondary school. (p. 24)
Obviously, something is terribly wrong when a $6,330 per pupil expenditure produces such pathetic results. This writer has visited private schools which charge $1,000-per-year in tuition which enjoy superior academic results. Parents of home-schooled children spend a maximum of $1,000-per-year and usually have similar excellent results.
Originally posted by muppet
I have to dash out right now, but I'll add more later. I'm thinking along the lines of better way of learning and making it more fun. Mp3 unabridged audio history books on the net for example. Interactive online learning., discussion boards like these. The potential for what CAN be done is awesome.
[edit on 22-7-2004 by muppet]
Originally posted by Gools
Thanks for "The Blue Pill People" ECK. Somehow I missed that one on ICH and I visit often.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
One of the things that really frustrates me about ATS is that while there are some incredible ideas here, there is also little interest in debate. A lot of name calling and baseless assertions. Nobody footnotes their arguments, and if you question them or engage their ideas then you're some kind of anarchist or agent provocatuer.
Originally posted by muppet
I think we need change the educational system so it allows kids to learn and investigate what they are actually interested in. Of course there should be some general grounding, but by and large young people have a HUGE thirst for knowledge and understanding. It's a human instinct we need to be tapping into.
Just look at this site for example. I think the youngest user here is around 10 years old, and there are many teenagers who read this site and contribute enthusiastically. In a school context, studying subjects like those covered on this site, and writing essays and arguments, would seem like hard work, but the same people come here and do it for fun!!