Judge to Prez: You Have 1 Week to Save Obamacare!: (that's what you get for blowing off a Judge!)

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by Flatfish

 

The auto insurance mandate is regulated by the states, NOT the Federal Govt. Only New Hampshire does not require insurance coverage. But, if you are at fault for an accident they will require you to post a bond or put up cash to cover any and all damage caused by you.

Auto insurance is all about liablity and damages and can't accurately be compared to health insurance coverage. It should be compared to malpractice insurance in reality.

Well said.

Ask yourself this about Obamacare and the fines if you don't get insurance.

The fine is miniscule compared to the price of getting insurance.

Idea... a lot of people will take the fine rather than get insurance on their own. eventually, they will need it and they will most likely only be able to afford or to obtain private insurance (if that concept is even in existance then). therefore forcing more and more onto the Gov't health programs.

Then the arugement will be made by Dems and Co that the Private markets failed therefore we need a single payer system.

Remember what Obama said about Private Insurance:

Originally posted by anon72
Ask yourself this about Obamacare and the fines if you don't get insurance.

The fine is miniscule compared to the price of getting insurance.

>snip

What really bothers me is the price of health care is/has going to go skyhigh. Think it's bad now? Just wait. Not long ago, my families cost TRIPLED. My wife is an RN at a large hospital. Our insurance is through there and the stipulation is that you get treated by doctors in their "loop". This makes sense because the money you earn goes back into the hospital, to help pay you and to help keep costs down and on and on. NOW, that obamacare is here, what does the insurance company do? TRIPLE the cost in ONE month. Say for instance the premium per month was $100 [actually higher, but just to use a number] now the cost has risen to $300 in 1 month. And get this, no raise this year because the cost of living has not gone up. This is just a start. My guess is that when people are FORCED to buy coverage the companies can say, Oh no we didn't just raise our prices, they've been like this. Yes, the cost of care has been getting higher, but you can say that every year. Obamacare comes in and the rate of raise takes off like a rocket. There are families I know personally that are having trouble just putting food on the table, how are they gonna feed their kids when they have to buy insurance or go to jail. This is nothing but an excuse for companies to make more money.

reply to post by anon72


This is what's really going on 1) the judge is waiting to get money out of this (a bribe) or 2) the judge isn't accepting the bribe. In which case Obama$$ will just look to find a judge who will take a bribe. One who doesn't care about screwing the public, he/she will probably be a republican.

Originally posted by adam76
i am really getting tired of people calling the health care bill Obamacare. people like that are the reason why health care system is so messed up. what is that scares people about universal health care for all or medicare for all. well i guess if you listen to the right wing of this country they have all their ignorant answers like "death panels" or some stupid reason. yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street, but in the long run the price of heath care will go down it's ridiculous that we live in such a rich country a middle class man like me, if i get sick with cancer or some other sickness even with insurance i would go bankrupt and would be un-able to pay the huge doctor bills i would produce. to me it's selfishness in this country when peaple go " i got my healthcare insurance screw you if you don't have any it's probably your fault you did'nt work hard enough".

This "Obamacare" is not nationalized nor universal health they are going to force us to BUY Insurance Even if we cannot afford to scrape our A$$ off the ground, or you will be fined. This is in Essence, MAKING A PERSON BUY A PRODUCT THAT AT ITS' BEST IS TOTAL BROWN STEAMY PILES OF FECAL MATTER!!!!!

reply to post by Flatfish


The administration has publically stated that absent the individual mandate the law as currently written will not work. That is on the record - I watched Robert Gibbs tell the press corp that on more than one occasion. The individual mandate is what is in question and should that provision be declared unconstitutional, the entire schebang is done.

The judge is right here. Two judges have ruled the bill constitutional and two have ruled it unconstitutional, hence it will have to go to the Supreme Court. It makes absolutely no sense to do what the administration is doing and that is spending a ton of cash (and pushing the states to do the same) to implement a bill that might ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. Why for example would the administration go on out and hire over a 1000 new IRS agents to enforce the individual mandate when it has a 50% chance of not being implemented?

Lets have the court decide on this and then move forward, either implementing the current law or getting something that will work.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
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Lets have the court decide on this and then move forward, either implementing the current law or getting something that will work.

Ain't going to happen until the Executive branch files a motion to dismiss or appeal. And that is what the judge wants to happen.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by anon72

 

This is what's really going on 1) the judge is waiting to get money out of this (a bribe) or 2) the judge isn't accepting the bribe. In which case Obama$$ will just look to find a judge who will take a bribe. One who doesn't care about screwing the public, he/she will probably be a republican.

Taking hyperbole to the opposite extreme are we? Democrats negotiated this pig stye of a situation with the health care industry officials so only a democrat judge would take a bribe and let this circus continue as Obama and the democrats designed.

I don't lknow why the judge would issue a timeline, it's not like this administration has listened to anyone else. Obama will do what he wants, when he wants, and on his terms.......remember, he won, as he so stated.

Originally posted by anon72

Then the arugement will be made by Dems and Co that the Private markets failed therefore we need a single payer system.

Remember what Obama said about Private Insurance:

You think this way???

Is that the way Bush thought when he murdered the government, systematic intent

While it pulls my heartstrings for helping other people, how well has the government overseen such massive programs as Social Security and Medicare? Driving down cost in the long run, a better deal for the people who aren't subject to a private sector driven by profits--there are lots of arguments for and against it, but the bottom line is that the government fails massively when they are running huge programs like this. Taxpayer backed government money creates an environment of waste and deters fiscal responsibility, and the government has shown time and time again that they are unfit to handle such vast amounts of money. Government spending is one reason we are in this financial mess we are in now, and people advocate giving them oodles of more money, and letting them make decisions about our healthcare? You've got to be kidding me. I completely understand the dangers and shortcomings of corporate greed, I can't agree more with you, but I hardly think the government is a much better solution, given their track record.

I have to say i have my health insurance too, this health care for everyone is bunk just let them die its there own fault they dont have any.Same for all these old people with there socialist medicare , if we just took it away and let them die the deficit would be fixed problem solved. Capitalism at work it weads out the weak, stupid and lazy that way.

Originally posted by lokdog
I have to say i have my health insurance too, this health care for everyone is bunk just let them die its there own fault they dont have any.Same for all these old people with there socialist medicare , if we just took it away and let them die the deficit would be fixed problem solved. Capitalism at work it weads out the weak, stupid and lazy that way.

meh.
Everyone pays into medicare all the working life, and then having done that, you expect them to let you die...?

You must expect the same from Social Security, right? Pay in all your life and expect nothing when you need it.

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I wonder... if the Obama Machine doesn't respond or stop implimenting parts of Obamacare (thus making it more diffucult to remove by the time the Supremes rule on it) will the US Marshalls be sent to the White House?

Who would be responsible for enforcing the Judges decisions? To what extent and to how high in Gov't?

Also to any non-Americans reading, especially my European brethren, it's a mistake to think America is opposed to Socialist healthcare. Even though many are.

The issue here isn't necessarily with Universal healthcare itself(although many do have that issue), it's more so with this version of it. Obamacare. Many Socialists oppose it. It's nothing but big business supporting garbage.

reply to post by anon72


Nope, nothing will happen. Mr. Race Card is above any law in the US, and acts accordingly.
I just see it as a means for states to not comply, nothing else will change, because Obama says so.

Originally posted by Flatfish
IMO, all you people who think that you're going to "eliminate" the new health care reform bill from being enacted, should really think again. All this judge is saying is, that part of the health care reform bill that requires all U.S. citizens to purchase health care from a "private insurer" is un-constitutional.

So before you go off patting yourself on the back for accomplishing total repeal of the law, you might just want to wait and see what happens, lest the last laugh may be on you.

Actually there is a marked lack of a Serverabilaty Clasue in the Law.

Severability Clauses in legislation state that if some provisions of the law, or certain applications of those provisions, are found to be unconstitutional, the remaining provisions, or the remaining applications of those provisions, will, nonetheless, continue in force as law. The Severability Clause usually states something along the lines of “notwithstanding any provision of this act being found unconstitutional, the rest of the act shall continue to be in force.”

It would seem that the writers of ObamaCare did not include this clause: The demodorks wrote ObamaCare without that, which means it operates by the old-fashioned default rule that if any part of a law is found to be unconstitutional, the entire law is unconstitutional. It’s not just that provision that is nullified, but the whole thing.

Kind of fitting - live by the letter of the law; die by it...

Originally posted by adam76
...yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street...

Uh, do you know anything about the bill you're talking up? The bill mandates that you, and I, and every American citizen buy private health care, from private insurance companies. This is not some public service provided by the government. What you seem to think this bill saves you from, is precisely what it forces you into: buying private health coverage from a private company that is "all about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street...".

Originally posted by Paote
reply to post by adam76

 

To me it's selfish to demand others to pay for your problems. Cancer or anything else. This world is hard, this world is not fair, and sometimes people get rotten deals.

I find it quite sad that you have this opinion and so many starred your post. I hope nothing bad should ever happen to you or yours.

Thank god, I am a British cancer patient.