Judge to Prez: You Have 1 Week to Save Obamacare!: (that's what you get for blowing off a Judge!)

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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Don't know what to make of it when Obama has given well over 200 companies and 70 unions a waiver from Obamacare . Hmmm... How about those Dems in Congress who are furious at anything that will slow the installation of Obamacare for everyone . They'd be much more believable if they dropped their personal Congressional health care for Obamacare . If it's so great , why not ? Canadians have Obamacare with an income tax rate from 30% to 50% , and those are only the federal taxes . Somebody has to pay for everything that is free or cheap . Why did all of those unions of working folks request waivers and got them if Obamacare is so wonderful ? Who exactly is going to pay into the pool when over 200 of the countries largest companies already have a waiver given by Obama to get out of Obamacare ?




posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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If the human species is in this bad of a condition medically, then our future looks grim. It is our society that causes most of our medical issues. Whether it be big pharma injecting us with "safe" drugs that we find out 10 years later that it was not so safe after all. Then we have corporate America expecting their employees to be at their beck and call 24/7, and technology has made it so that there is no excuse so that employees are always available, even when on vacation. Society lives to work instead of working to live. Then the food industry feeding us all this synthetic stuff that drastically affects our health, simply so that they can make a buck at the expense of our health.Then we have society accepting these things as if they do not have a choice, and suffers the consequences of high blood pressure, anxiety, stress, diabetes and the list goes on and on. Come on, are we seriously in that bad of a shape as a species that when something goes wrong, our first response is to take a drug to "fix" something that we should not be doing any way. I wonder, how did our species cope with adversity when lets say, during a time when we could have been on the menu? What, did they just run down to the local drug store and pick up a supply of xanax? I do not know, but for me, possibly being on the menu would seem to be more stressful than anything I would normally encounter today.

Lets quit trying to cover up the problems, and simply change our ways and expectations to more closely match what our biological systems need to work under. Lets correct the source of the problems instead of hiding them and creating new ones.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by adam76
i am really getting tired of people calling the health care bill Obamacare. people like that are the reason why health care system is so messed up. what is that scares people about universal health care for all or medicare for all. well i guess if you listen to the right wing of this country they have all their ignorant answers like "death panels" or some stupid reason. yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street, but in the long run the price of heath care will go down it's ridiculous that we live in such a rich country a middle class man like me, if i get sick with cancer or some other sickness even with insurance i would go bankrupt and would be un-able to pay the huge doctor bills i would produce. to me it's selfishness in this country when peaple go " i got my healthcare insurance screw you if you don't have any it's probably your fault you did'nt work hard enough".

This "Obamacare" is not nationalized nor universal health they are going to force us to BUY Insurance Even if we cannot afford to scrape our A$$ off the ground, or you will be fined. This is in Essence, MAKING A PERSON BUY A PRODUCT THAT AT ITS' BEST IS TOTAL BROWN STEAMY PILES OF FECAL MATTER!!!!!
I DO NOT agree with the mandate that you as a citizen have to buy any health care because it is a violation of personal sovereignty. Seat belt laws and helmet laws are another form of this attack. It is an argument that is paramount to fight because if the gov't keeps mandating what we can or have to do with our own body. Pretty soon we will not be able to poop without a permit. Simply stated that is a cumbersome law and it encumbers the free will choices of "free" people that we are supposed to be. Its about freedom of choice and personal sovereignty.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Holder to the judge: "My people" are not into the rule of law nor your stinkin' whitey constitution.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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Most well paid people cant afford health insurance, They wanted 700 a month for mine. I told them to promptly go screw them selves. They raised it over two hundred a month in two months time last year.

All this Bill does is Force people to buy the Expensive insurance that covers what they want, They being the insurance company or you can buy the cheap policy that doesn't cover anything without huge co-pays and out of pockets cost.

Thats exactly what this ignorant Democratic bill does. Tell Obama and his cronies to go F- the hell off.

Anyone who wants this crap needs Mental Health insurance not regular



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Now, now MasterAndrew - don't lump all Americans together.

I didn't vote for that SOB Obama! A lot of us didn't vote for that turd.

But the Republicans provided us with one pisspoor alternative. An old liberal posing as a conservative, or a black liberal posing as a conservative?

Many just said, "to hell with it," and didn't vote.

I can almost guarantee you, THIS next time, in 2012, if we still have a US, there will be a clear conservative.

If not, by 2014 there won't be a USA.

Which should thrill many who are ATS members.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Flatfish
IMO, all you people who think that you're going to "eliminate" the new health care reform bill from being enacted, should really think again. All this judge is saying is, that part of the health care reform bill that requires all U.S. citizens to purchase health care from a "private insurer" is un-constitutional.

The only reason that the bill has that requirement today is due to the fact that, as part of their effort to protect the private healthcare insurance industry, the republican minority at the time would not allow a seat at the table for either "public option" and/or "single payer" representatives which led to the bill we have today. I have always been confident that prior to the 2014 mandate to purchase private insurance taking effect, we would fix that little defect and allow for a P.O. and/or S.P. plan to be implemented in it's place. I'm confident that this judge's ruling is nothing more than "step one" in that process and in the end we will get the health care reform bill that we democrats voted for in the first place.

So before you go off patting yourself on the back for accomplishing total repeal of the law, you might just want to wait and see what happens, lest the last laugh may be on you.


"Part"? I have a new phrase for you to look up and familiarize yourself with: "severability clause".

This bill, in all 2000 pages or so, or however many there are, doesn't have one.

Therefore, if that "part" goes, so does the whole infernal thing. Good riddance.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Flatfish
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It ain't over till it's over and so far I haven't heard any fat ladies singing either. All that has to be done is to change the mandate to require that everyone participate in Medicare for all and then that judge would have to find a way to declare that Medicare is unconstitutional. Good luck with that one. Do you see where I'm going with this?

The mandate to purchase health care from a "Private Insurer" is the biggest single reason that the public at large objects to the plan. Most of the other mandates like an end to pre-existing conditions or keeping our children on our policies until they are 26 yrs. old are widely accepted as good things. There is just this one sticking point, that the republican minority insisted upon, that has caused the uproar. Just goes to show that the republican party in congress has a nasty habit of screwing things up to the point where it cost the taxpayer millions, if not billions, to correct. Kinda like deregulating Wall Street. Anyway, I knew this was coming and I thank the judge for getting the process started


"Change the mandate". An EXCELLENT idea! If they do that, the whole thing has to go back through ratification AGAIN. I wonder how it will fare THIS time?

Yeah, man, I'm all for it!


BTW - I'll not be forced to use Medicare, either. Have a nice day!



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
It all boils down to this:


The faster the review of Obamacare’s constitutionality, the greater the likelihood that the Supreme Court could issue a final ruling on it in 2012.

If the president’s primary legislative accomplishment were to be ruled unconstitutional before the 2012 election, it could prove a very costly setback for the administration politically.


They know it's unconstitutional. They just want an accomplishment to tout for Obama in the next election. It doesn't matter if that accomplishment is later found to be unconstitutional and not really an accomplishment... they just need an accomplishment, just one...


Exactly,

As I mentioned in another thread, notice how obama himself is quietly shifting his strategy to trying to get individual states to enact their own laws similar to his. the reason being individual state laws will not be unconstitutional.

However, with at least half the states already joining the suits against obamacare, this appears to be mostly a last ditch attempt to save the "crown jewel" of obama's presidency in order to keep him from being relegated to "carter status" (a historical failure).



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by adam76
i am really getting tired of people calling the health care bill Obamacare. people like that are the reason why health care system is so messed up. what is that scares people about universal health care for all or medicare for all. well i guess if you listen to the right wing of this country they have all their ignorant answers like "death panels" or some stupid reason. yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street, but in the long run the price of heath care will go down it's ridiculous that we live in such a rich country a middle class man like me, if i get sick with cancer or some other sickness even with insurance i would go bankrupt and would be un-able to pay the huge doctor bills i would produce. to me it's selfishness in this country when peaple go " i got my healthcare insurance screw you if you don't have any it's probably your fault you did'nt work hard enough".


What is it that scares people?


Show us just one large government entitlement program that has been a success - actually helped people as intended - and not a funding black hole.

You don't think people - you included - shouldn't be be afraid of yet another faceless bureaucracy - this time making life and death decisions about your healthcare?

It is totally reasonable that most people consider this a nightmare.

As I've said all along, we need healthcare reform, but a bad healthcare bill is not better than no new healthcare bill.

And then there is the way the thing was passed with Pelosi saying we'll know what's in it AFTER it is passed and Reid literally bribing other senators with pork spending and earmarks for their votes in favor of obamacare.

Finally, it is rightly called "obamacare" because the president considers this bill the crowning achievement of his presidency.

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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by abecedarian
 

What happened to all that "Personal Responsibility" stuff that the republican party is always ranting about?


Personal responsibility is still here, alive and well. It's not a "Republican" thing.



Shouldn't people be required to contribute for their own insurance


Yes. IF they want it, they should pay for it. It's not the government's job.



or do you like paying a higher premium to cover the cost of the uninsured?


If I'm not paying a premium at all, how are they going to raise it?



Maybe you support paying higher state & county taxes to fund the cost of providing care to the uninsured?


Again, no. It's not the government's job.



No one has ruled that the requirement to carry auto insurance to be unconstitutional, why is that? Some would say that it's because there is no requirement to own an automobile and I agree with that argument except for one little catch. People can't opt out of owning a body that will, at some point, require health care.


Exactly. I can (and do) refuse to drive, thus there is no "requirement" that I buy auto insurance. Refusing to draw breath is somewhat more problematic, and it is for that crime that they are trying to levy a punitive "tax" (administered by the IRS, but GOING TO private insurance corps at this point - perhaps a punitive "tax" in fact later, when the government handles it all) on me. Again, THIS IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT"S JOB.



I believe that everyone should be required to pay into the system that provides health care for all, that's what I call "personal responsibility."


I don't. Since I will NEVER take out of that system, why should I pay into it? What I call "Personal Responsibility" is looking out for my own health, in my own way, making my own decisions - you know, "personally", as in "responsibility".



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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by adam76
i am really getting tired of people calling the health care bill Obamacare. people like that are the reason why health care system is so messed up. what is that scares people about universal health care for all or medicare for all. well i guess if you listen to the right wing of this country they have all their ignorant answers like "death panels" or some stupid reason. yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street, but in the long run the price of heath care will go down it's ridiculous that we live in such a rich country a middle class man like me, if i get sick with cancer or some other sickness even with insurance i would go bankrupt and would be un-able to pay the huge doctor bills i would produce. to me it's selfishness in this country when peaple go " i got my healthcare insurance screw you if you don't have any it's probably your fault you did'nt work hard enough".

Keep drinkin that huff post bilgewater: "Healthcare" my fuzzy red baboon butt :
Itsa revenue generator for the out of control out of its cage federal government.


Gateway Pundit: IRS Needs 1,054 New Agents for Obamacare Including 81 to Enforce Racist Tanning Spa Tax

The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers and new facilities at a cost to taxpayers of more than $359 million in fiscal 2012 just to watch over the initial implementation of President Obama’s healthcare reforms. Among the new corps will be 81 workers assigned to make sure tanning salons pay a new 10 percent excise tax. Their cost: $11.5 million.

Its all about moving every red cent back to the fed gov" for the children"
You idiots think you're getting something over here( look over here),while there's 400pages( or more) dedicated to IRS revenue generators to pay for it.hidden in the other hand.
Like a casino you think you're doing OKAY" here's a little keep pulling that lever" but in reality the house never loses

katypundit.com...
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posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Give us time, were working on it! It's just some of our people got a bit worked up when they heard the term "change." They just didn't realize what kind of change he meant. Obama is a 1 term president, theres no doubt about that. He knows it, and the people working for him know it. When he was elected the country had just started hurting on job losses, and people put all their faith in him, thats common; however, the American people have awoken.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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"I have to say i have my health insurance too, this health care for everyone is bunk just let them die its there own fault they dont have any.Same for all these old people with there socialist medicare , if we just took it away and let them die the deficit would be fixed problem solved. Capitalism at work it weads out the weak, stupid and lazy that way."



Seriously? It is this sort of social darwinism that even Darwin disagreed with, it results in inequality. We are a society with millions of people, millions of ailments that should be taken care of by what we deem appropriate. Money is based on absolutely nothing. They wish to fatten you up with corn, warp your minds with propaganda (left and right), and magically, while sitting in front of the tv on the couch you have a heart attack. Wake up people, what needs to happen next for us to realize how crazy this has all gotten, how out of touch we are with our power as people.
You seem to forget, sir, that the majority (the poor) have the largest say in the government, we free people decide what our Government is or is not, we have the power to improve our society. Our corporations do not have this power, though they claim to. The privatization of America is what is wrong with America. When we start considering corporations as people... maybe we lost something along the way.
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posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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I had a thought..amybe obamacre, was a plot, ot make sure hospitols stop being bankrupt due to illegal aliens? they use the hopsitols then leave without paying...since obama favors illegals as its known..maybe obamacare is a plot* since itsus reigstered taxpyers who always gee scrwed and penalyzed..only seems to make sense. makeus pay as long as we have ajob, vote, and reigistered into the system, to backup any losses ilelgals bankrupt.
jsut an idea went throough my head



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by MasterAndrew
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How long are you Americans going to allow your Muslim leader to screw your country. I remember now how many of you voted for him. The great savior. Pfft please.... What a joke.


Nobody voted for Obama. He was put into power just like all the other presidents of the US and prime ministers of the UK.

Officials are not Elected. They are Selected!!



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by Paote
reply to post by adam76
 


To me it's selfish to demand others to pay for your problems. Cancer or anything else. This world is hard, this world is not fair, and sometimes people get rotten deals.


I find it quite sad that you have this opinion and so many starred your post. I hope nothing bad should ever happen to you or yours.

Thank god, I am a British cancer patient.


That's probably why you have cancer. God is probably punishing you for being a socialist.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by spicypickle

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by Paote
reply to post by adam76
 


To me it's selfish to demand others to pay for your problems. Cancer or anything else. This world is hard, this world is not fair, and sometimes people get rotten deals.


I find it quite sad that you have this opinion and so many starred your post. I hope nothing bad should ever happen to you or yours.

Thank god, I am a British cancer patient.


That's probably why you have cancer. God is probably punishing you for being a socialist.


Why does someone always say God has something to do with it. Stop talking about God. It doesn't exist. It ranks alongside Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

Stay on topic.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by spicypickle

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by Paote
reply to post by adam76
 


To me it's selfish to demand others to pay for your problems. Cancer or anything else. This world is hard, this world is not fair, and sometimes people get rotten deals.


I find it quite sad that you have this opinion and so many starred your post. I hope nothing bad should ever happen to you or yours.

Thank god, I am a British cancer patient.


That's probably why you have cancer. God is probably punishing you for being a socialist.


Why does someone always say God has something to do with it. Stop talking about God. It doesn't exist. It ranks alongside Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

Stay on topic.


Actually, I'm agnostic.

And just so this is on topic, Obamacare sucks and I hope they never get another chance to do "healthcare reform". The stab us in the back with this putrid mandate the first time they get a chance. I won't vote for it again. I doubt my vote counts for anything but I'll still try to vote against it every time it comes up in a campaign.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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Your right. Votes go nowhere. They make people vote to give them the illusion that they vote people into power when in actual fact they are put in power ahead of time. Obama is just the black version of Bush. If Bush was still in power it would be BushCare. The face has changed but the power remains the same.

If Obama and the NWO get their way that health bill will screw up the US in a big way! And it's coming!!





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