Christchurch 02/22/2011 is New Zealand’s 9/11

Here is the thesis in the form of a question.

Is it possible somewhere on the planet earthquake event prediction techniques are so precise some vested interests knew and prepared for both of the earthquakes to further their own agendas?

The background is several scientists have claimed this quake to be an aftershock of September quake. They argue it is a result of pressures built up since the 2010 quake. The counter argument to this goes something like; the two quakes may indeed be related but not directly as these scientists suggest. The problem for the first argument is it does not adequately explain the September quake and therefore to say the latter then resulted in the February quake simply is a dog chasing its tail argument. It goes no where and explains nothing.

The majority of information (mostly videos) I have seen posted on ATS claiming to be excellent science are indeed but they merely describe in blow by blow fashion. They do not explain why or how. Real analysis has a large explanatory component.

I have put all of my arguments in some depth with evidence into a few posts over several threads covering the Christchurch earthquake. The argument I present is as outlined below.

As I see it there are three aspects which really scream out to be investigated. Two include a variety of coincidences.

Aspect 1. Earthquakes are very unusual events for the following reasons

Christchurch was not regarded in the Southern hemisphere as an earthquakes prone locality before September 2010. That this new fault has appeared suddenly and dramatically is startling.

Both the Haiti 2010 and ChCh 2011 earthquakes were so damaging not only because the epicenters were near large urban centers but also becuase the depth was unusually shallow. But this isn’t the coincidence I draw your attention to. Here it is.

The Haiti earthquake occurring January 2010 had almost exactly the same depth (13 kilometers) and same distance from epicentre to city (16 miles). The Christchurch earthquake occurring September 2010 had a depth of 10km, and 19 miles from city.

The perfect storm for Christchurch
The preponderance of large gothic style stone and brick buildings some of the oldest large constructions in NZ in Christchurch made it a major attraction for tourists to NZ a testimony to the fact earthquakes were not considered a consideration by early Canterbury (local) architects.

Christchurch is a city built on alluvial gravel, sand, and silt. Prime material for liquefaction in a major shake.

The city is located in a virtual basin of volcanic rock which acts to amplify earthquake shock waves sending them bounding back into the city, increasing the damage particularly when the epicentre is in smack beneath Christchurch itself.

With a clear defined boundary ChCh alarmingly makes for an excellent case study for a city hit by a major earthquake. Like a controlled environment with many of the variables interfering in assessing various impacts are removed by both its relative remoteness and its small and again relatively homogenous population (for example, the majority speak English as a first language).

This is not compelling as evidence of this thesis but lets just say the Retired Admiral Thad Allen, coincidentally in town for the event, uses just the right language he may have read in the preliminary page describing a population base case-control study. Interestingly right at the end just before what sounds like the newsroom studio director ordering the video clip to be cut around the point the Admiral describing how the event in Christchurch differed from what he was involved with previously, has this to say;

...this is very small and targeted in the area right around Christchurch…

However, clearly following the September 2010 earthquake event these structures and other more modern buildings were up for an inspection by city engineers. In fact they were inspected. The more modern constructions collapsed and pancaked you see were all inspected.

Aspect 2. Just the right audience in the front row, and in the box seats in town the day of the earthquake

There were a strange concentration of usual suspects in town at the time, even for a town well known for its ability to juggle countless very large international conferences simultaneously. International conferences are usually set up at the very least one whole year in advance! The more esteemed the attendees expected the longer it is to organise a conference.

More than 600 Australian and New Zealand doctors and nurses were attending the annual meeting of the Urological Society of Australia and New Zealand in Christchurch when the 6.3 magnitude earthquake hit the country’s second biggest city on Tuesday (22 February).

The conference’s organiser told Australian newspaper The Sydney Morning Herald the Christchurch Convention Centre, New Zealand's largest purpose-built convention venue situated in the heart of Christchurch's CBD, had been evacuated and all delegates were safe.

www.c-mw.net...

The FEMA Deputy Administrator, Timothy W. Manning, who became ensconced in the city operation centre

...to provide assistance to Americans.

FEMA official in New Zealand when quake struck
voices.washingtonpost.com...

The 4th USNZ partnership forum of the NZUS council was taking place in Christchurch at this very time. Present were Commander Admiral Thad Allen (Katrina, the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Cambell, and the Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Mariko Silver together with eight serving Congressmen and representatives of significant US corporations Boeing, Time Warner, and Kraft Foods. The topics for discussion at the meeting were counter-terrorism, border security, and other matters including disaster relief!

The HMS Canterbury. The largest frigate in the NZ navy! Although Lyttleton is its regular base and so this the ships presence is not too startling in and of itself.

The woman in charge of US security, US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Nepolitano was also scheduled to attend, but, hey, luckily for her she chose to pull out of her scheduled visit just days before the beginning of the conference when a FED agent was shot in Mexico.

Nine congressmen from the conference were flying out of Christchurch just hours before the earthquake hit.
www.dailyherald.com...

Aspect 3. Economic or just plain profit?
Firstly, the profit system in place meant cost cutting efficiencies saw people die. That is just the hard cold truth.

In ChCh inspections of buildings following the 2010 quake, that would never survive the worst case scenerio warned of by numerous scientists and engineers in journals in the months between September 2010 and Feb 2011 earthquakes failed to result in those buildings being cleared of people and strengthened

Secondly, there is reason to believe heads of business in NZ / the NZ Business Roundtable have been active in lobbying the NZ government to open up mining operations. Regular poster to ATS BlueMirage5 has posted a list of documents relevant to proposals linked to ChCh.

Furthermore, calls from rightwing media have been made to ramp up austerity measures considerably. But the public were not surprisingly unenthusiastic about the idea.



Finally.

Here’s what one of the Congressmen, a 16th District Republican from Egan, who escaped the ChCh earthquake via plane was reported by his spokesperson to have said from Wellington in the hours following the earthquake.

See link above to the Daily Herald story.

He said it is absolutely devastating what is happening there,” said Manzullo spokesman Rich Carter. “He said it is kind of like their 9/11, their tragedy.

If y'all can please post the rational and logical supportive, counter or alternative arguments. Keep in mind you are fully entitled to your beliefs and you opinion but those alone do not provide convincing arguments. Evidence may be hard to bring to the thread, but rationally and logically argued positions are also good.

Science is based on reasoning, that cause is followed by effect. Science does not entertain coincidence There is another route you might want to consider. That of investigative journalism. Given the present world we live in if you want to know if human beings are involved in any event you need to follow the money trail.

Interesting theory op - your Youtube link doesn't work?

I wouldn't put anything past these *#stards and I have no doubt they have the technology to create earthquakes (and other) at will.

NZ being relatively safe as far as terrorism goes, this would be a good cover to enact draconain laws that would otherwise not be possible...So yes, anything is possible.

I'm not so sure about your reasoning for it being so 'unusual'. New-Zealand is a terribly small country located directly over a major fault line, which itself is a part of the so-called, 'ring of fire'. Being from NZ myself, I can tell you that earth quakes are very much an every day thing we have to deal with. Most people don't even think twice about them as they live out their lives. Quite often I would be watching T.V., eating, etc. and the house would start shaking. In primary school we are taught very young that when it starts getting serious and you're inside, you run for door frames or the under sides of tables and hold on tight. It's an almost instant response for most NZ'ers when the shakes become a bit more noticeable. All in all, you have to consider that NZ is a country that sits constantly on the brink of complete destruction. Another even such as Taupo and we're wiped off the face of the earth entirely. We have earth quakes and volcano eruptions and floods all the time. Once in a blue moon, they hit a little harder and a little closer than we'd like, but that's just how it is down here. No more to it , in my opinion.

None of these fault lines are just appearing, they have been there dormant. I hope you guys can accept that tectonic and volcanic activity becomes highly excited by the weakness of the magnetosphere. These events will continue to increase in frequency. It's part of the cycle of the magnetic reversal cycle.

I don't really think it can be equated to 9/11, that was a man-made disaster.

reply to post by hypervalentiodine


I too was taught all that while in school in NZ....but NZ was always one of the few nations that was used as a guinea pig for all the latest appliances among other things. Having NZ on 2 major plate faults just make the globalists' jobs that much easier.

The plans for CHCH is because within a couple of years or so Arab oil will be cut off, not dried up, but cut off because the globalists & American elite are preparing to dump their debt on to the Arabs while in the mean time causing as much havic the globalists can throw upon the Middle East. When the Arabs wake up, they are going to be pretty pissed off and thats when the oil taps shut down. When the Arabs "cash" in their assets...won't be worth squat because the USD$ and bonds will no longer be legal tender.

In the mean time, the tyrant globalists and the IMF will destroy our nations and force us in to a one world global currency - with even more strings attached - they want control of all our farms, mining and petroleum industries; we loose our sovereignty and austerity. You think all these new takeover mining industries in our own nations are going to give us cheaper fuel etc? Think again, they will keep us so poor we will barely have anough money to put food on the tables and a roof over our heads. You skirm and even consider a revolution, it's off to FEMA camps.

But in order to successfully control us, our populations need to decrease - fast. Thats where Monsanto comes in to their plot, as does vaccines we have'nt even heard of (plenty more of that coming), HAARP (causes severe weather change and earthquakes at the push of a button), chemtrails, chemicals in our water & milk, war, ...the list is endless. Oh and by the way, cancer is now the biggest killer of man today...don't expect any progress anytime soon, the more money you pay to cancer foundations, the more cancers are formulated to kill us. Any medical breakthrough....scientist's formulas will disappear, so will the scientists themselves. That goes for any other new invention that will help us to get off the grid etc.

Re the TSA, I'm sure you have heard of the next pat down....DNA patdown; coming to an airport near you real soon.

There IS good news though....these globalists will NOT succeed in the end. They will try every trick of the trade and then some, they'll even try our patience by underestimating our intelligence by creating more terrorist attacks (like 9/11) and even stoop so low as an "alien" disclosure, some for fall for it and believe it's real; it's all part of the plan...but it WON'T WORK because hopefully by then a majority of the world population has woken up to their devious plans and the table will turn. Once the globalists and govt flies find themselves inside their deep underground bunkers...by god they better not asend from them..

I don't know what the time frame is but since the wheels are turning VERY quickly, I give it 5 years to put most of their plans in place; 25 years from now, our kids will be cleaning up the mess of WW1 & WW2 put together x 100.

Now in regards to NZ, where is John Key getting the money from? Insurers? Where are THEY getting the money from? John Key has cut a deal, mark my words on that. And you Kiwis will have to pay back every last cent...and some. Yep, John Key appears to be the man of the hour now....but a year from now? Labor, National....you can change your leaders but you are still locked in to the DEBT. There is no way out, it's already a done deal.

In the mean time...don't expect petrol, electricity, and food prices to decrease. They are on their way up and they are NOT coming down from here on in. And when you can't afford your house loans, insurance, rates....your house goes. Jobs? More and more will go offshore, if you're lucky you might get a job in the mines or on oil rigs, maybe in the large industrial food complexes run, all by Govt who work for the globalists....but don't expect a union to come support you when your wages are frozen or you have problems at work...unions won't exist and they'll be made illegal.

Correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Mythkiller
Interesting theory op - your Youtube link doesn't work?

I wouldn't put anything past these *#stards and I have no doubt they have the technology to create earthquakes (and other) at will.

NZ being relatively safe as far as terrorism goes, this would be a good cover to enact draconain laws that would otherwise not be possible...So yes, anything is possible.

Sorry for that. Here is the link to the Commander Admiral Thad Allen interview from YouTube.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Tallone


he said "small and targeted" at 2:03

should we not look too much in to those unusual chosen words?

and look what I found......the not so important Admiral was sent to NZ so the Americans did'nt have to spend another day looking at the the idiot:

www.youtube.com...

Nice find, aye!

Christchurch 2010 and 2011 earthquakes are unusual

Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
I'm not so sure about your reasoning for it being so 'unusual'. New-Zealand is a terribly small country located directly over a major fault line, which itself is a part of the so-called, 'ring of fire'. Being from NZ myself, I can tell you that earth quakes are very much an every day thing we have to deal with. Most people don't even think twice about them as they live out their lives. Quite often I would be watching T.V., eating, etc. and the house would start shaking. In primary school we are taught very young that when it starts getting serious and you're inside, you run for door frames or the under sides of tables and hold on tight. It's an almost instant response for most NZ'ers when the shakes become a bit more noticeable. All in all, you have to consider that NZ is a country that sits constantly on the brink of complete destruction. Another even such as Taupo and we're wiped off the face of the earth entirely. We have earth quakes and volcano eruptions and floods all the time. Once in a blue moon, they hit a little harder and a little closer than we'd like, but that's just how it is down here. No more to it , in my opinion.

Christchurch until September 2010 had no known faultline near the city. Apart from the major Alpine fault line the majority of people are of course well aware of. New Zealand is extremely earthquake prone, and that has been a reason why many Australians who have retired in NZ have chosen to live in ChCh or the surrounding area away from the major previously known faultline running along the Alpine range. Because ChCh given its relative distance was not expected to have anything other than tickles from the Alpine fault. It did though receive a bigger shake 70 years before and one in the 1880s originating I believe from the NZ fault along the Alps, nothing like either major event in 2010 and 2011.

The large old architecture there as I mention above and on other related threads is primarily stone and brick because although ChCh was not expected by the early architects to be up for a big shake.

Here is a video from TV NZ last week on the unusual aspect of the NZ quake.

reply to post by Tallone


I added to my previous post.....look up to my addition

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

I too was taught all that while in school in NZ....but NZ was always one of the few nations that was used as a guinea pig for all the latest appliances among other things. Having NZ on 2 major plate faults just make the globalists' jobs that much easier.
.

Thanks for mentioning that. NZ is definitely and always has been a giant petri dish/ test tube for social experimentation in the past. A lot of people, even New Zealanders do not realise this.

In terms of 'knowing the precise details of the 2011 earthquake in advance' I am thinking of what would be opportunist and very advanced social experimentation. The question of the earthquakes being caused by experimentation, now that is hard science using ChCh as a controlled environment. That is a rabbit hole I have not really ventured into here, other than to lay out some of the evidence that might support also that scenerio. For example, my Aspect 2. from above, i.e. the specialist audience in the front row and box seats. It is a scary scenerio and would as so many point out would involve very advanced military-type technology.

The Christchurch earthquake is part of the ascension of the anti christ. As is the current middle east violence.
It is a sign, and a seal.
They are here, and walk amongst us.

Originally posted by ReptilePete
The Christchurch earthquake is part of the ascension of the anti christ. As is the current middle east violence.
It is a sign, and a seal.
They are here, and walk amongst us.

No offense intended here Pete because you are entitled to your belief. But it is just a belief. Your reasoning lacks rational and logic as it stands.

reply to post by Tallone


9/11 was used as an excuse to invade 2 countries, the London bombings was a way for London to get involved in the fight on terror.

what has an earthquake in New Zealand got to do with the above? have they now changed laws and are going to fight fault lines in the name of freedom?

The Lyttelton quake was at 5km, not 10km, so how you can say that was at the same depth as the Haiti quake at 13km is beyond me. Have you ever walked the difference, even horizontally, 8km, let alone vertically?
The 2010 quake was at 11km
Darfield was 37km from the CBD, Lyttelton was 9.6km again a big difference.

Earthquakes are not as uncommon in Christchurch as some people seem to think

June 5 1869, "Christchurch" earthquake
Since 1853, when organised European settlement of Christchurch and Lyttelton began, ten or so earthquakes are known to have shaken Christchurch city strongly enough to cause chimney and minor building damage and/or significant contents damage (i.e. caused shaking intensities of MM 6 or more). Among these are large earthquakes, centred some distance from Christchurch. Only one earthquake is known to have caused pervasive building and chimney damage throughout the CBD and nearby suburbs, encompassing Avonside, Linwood, Fendalton and Papanui. This event was the 1869 June 5 8:00 am (local time). The highest intensity of shaking was clearly confined to within a few kilometres of Christchurch CBD. Contents damage occurred in many shops and homes, and many chimneys and chimney tops fell or were cracked. The stone spire of St John’s church in Latimer Square was cracked from top to bottom, reportedly the worst damage in the city. In the Government buildings, the tops of two chimneys came down, plaster was cracked, and several stones displaced. Similar damage occurred in some other brick and stone buildings, including Matson’s building, the NZ Loan & Trust building and the NZ Insurance building. Avonside and more generally, the area north of the Avon River and east of and along Papanui Road, were most affected with many chimneys damaged or down. The side of one brick house collapsed in Manchester Street. The relatively low level of masonry damage in the city is consistent with MM 7 rather than the MM 7 - 8 assigned by Dibble et al. (1980). Outside the city intensities rapidly decreased, reaching MM 5 at Kaiapoi and Halswell. However, a few chimneys and household contents were damaged at Lyttelton. The short duration of shaking, small spatial extent of MM 7, the occurrence of aftershocks and the rapid attenuation are consistent with an earthquake at very shallow depth within a few kilometres of the CBD.

August 31 1870, "Lake Ellesmere" earthquake
The 1870 earthquake, on August 31 at 6:53 pm (local time) was more widely felt than the 1869 earthquake, with the highest intensities around Christchurch, at locations on Banks Peninsula and South Canterbury, but felt at least as far south as Dunedin, on the West Coast and North Canterbury. In Christchurch city, there was damage to household and shop contents as well as isolated chimney damage, e.g. one or two chimneys fell in Avonside, one in Chester Street and another in Papanui Road. The upper parts of several chimneys were rotated near the railway station. There was also isolated minor structural damage. At St John’s church in Latimer Square the stone cross fell, causing damage to several roof slates, and some old cracks opened in the stonework. Old cracks in the Town Hall also moved. The damage is consistent with MM 6 at most. Several chimneys, as well as household goods, were damaged at Lyttelton, about Banks Peninsula and in South Canterbury as far south as Timaru, the intensity not exceeding MM 6, except possibly at Temuka, and the eastern side of Lyttelton Harbour. The spatial distribution of intensities indicates an earthquake at greater depth than the 1869 earthquake. This is consistent with the reported longer duration of strong shaking, the occurrence of only one or two slight aftershocks and observations of the two shocks separated by a short interval that are almost certainly P and S waves. www.geonet.org.nz...

Christchurch has always been known as the "Conference Center of the South Islad" so its probably likely that any given time there will be visitors from overseas organisations in town, ummmm .................. lets see ..........."having a Conference" maybe


I think you are using random facts ( most which are wrong anyway) to fit in with your argument.

You give these Politicainsway too much credit, the sole purpose any Politican has in life is to stay in elected office, not take over the World, or even give a chit what us Public think

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Tallone

 

he said "small and targeted" at 2:03

should we not look too much in to those unusual chosen words?

and look what I found......the not so important Admiral was sent to NZ so the Americans did'nt have to spend another day looking at the the idiot:

www.youtube.com...

Nice find, aye!

edit on 28-2-2011 by bluemirage5 because: addition

You know what, we can never be sure if the mess made by the BP oil spill was not intentionally messed up further. Alternatively it could be put down to authorities not listening to the scientists and engineers again.

The answer here undoubtedly lies in the money trail. Who would benefit FINANCIALLY from a successful massive clean up in the short term?

And lets not forget the military budget is huge in the USA. Every time a General/ the military is put in charge of what would otherwise be a civilian operation there is another reason to be waved by the military for their ever growing expenditure. Consider New Orleans, BP oil spill, and Haiti. The General in ChCh is likely symbolic if nothing else.

Originally posted by muzzy

Christchurch has always been known as the "Conference Center of the South Islad" so its probably likely that any given time there will be visitors from overseas organisations in town, ummmm .................. lets see ..........."having a Conference" maybe

I think you are using random facts ( most which are wrong anyway) to fit in with your argument.

You give these Politicainsway too much credit, the sole purpose any Politican has in life is to stay in elected office, not take over the World, or even give a chit what us Public think

edit on 28-2-2011 by muzzy because: (no reason given)

Yes we do give them more credit then they deserve, far too much more than they deserve. Very true.

ChCh is one massive conference centre. That is the reason all of those visitors are there. Of course. It is what it is. But the coincidence lies in two things. Let me restate.

First. Those conferences I mentioned were huge. Even for Christchurch. And covered the days leading up to and following the earthquake. Now, rule of thumb is it takes at least one year to set up an international conference. Entire floors of major hotels must be booked, flights booked, numbers attending confirmed in time to ensure cancellation if the whole thing goes over budget and there are no more funds left.

Second. You need to consider the people who were there in Christchurch in the days leading up to the 2011 earthquake. All of them would have very clear interests in monitoring and taking part in what occurred, for a variety of reasons.

Admiral Commander Thad Allen. Previously in charge of operations following Katrina in New Orleans, and the BP oil spill in the Gulf.

FEMA top officials as named above.

9 US Congressmen.

600 medical staff.

You might want to put it down to synchronicity as you do.
But then a scientific approach does not talk about coincidence, it talks about probabilities. It is improbable that the conferences and these people are in town the precise time of the earthquake or just hours previous in the case of some by sheer chance.

Originally posted by muzzy
The Lyttelton quake was at 5km, not 10km, so how you can say that was at the same depth as the Haiti quake at 13km is beyond me. Have you ever walked the difference, even horizontally, 8km, let alone vertically?
The 2010 quake was at 11km
Darfield was 37km from the CBD, Lyttelton was 9.6km again a big difference.

Earthquakes are not as uncommon in Christchurch as some people seem to think

The coincidence is between the Haiti 2010 and Christchurch 2011 quake. The depth and epicentre distance from the struck urban centres and the depth are a matter of public record. No need to pace it out.

Earthquakes are common in NZ and tremors from the major Alpine fault line have struck ChCh in the past. But both earthquakes in Christchurch are unusual, because they are both new fault lines, and they were very shallow and violent. Very unusual.

Seismologists not only can't agree on the causes they are declaring they don't know why they happened.

www.nzherald.co.nz...

reply to post by munkey66

Thanks for bringing that up. Hitting right on the argument too.

Most seem to focus on 9/11 as the point in where a fundamental and permanent switch in US foreign policy using diplomacy to using the military became explicit with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, My perspective on 9/11 here is it provided the opportunity for the US elite to take one giant leap enabling them to begin dismantling the Constitution and stripping Constitutional rights from US citizens. This is what has taken place in NZ.


There are solid grounds to believe heads of business in NZ / the NZ Business Roundtable have been active in lobbying the NZ government to open up mining operations.

Following the first earthquake in September 2010 the NZ government unanimously passed the the Canterbury Earthquake Response and Recovery Act (CERRA). This law concentrates wide powers in the hands of government ministers and unelected advisors allowing them to override most of the laws in NZ. Public debate is simply ruled out.

Late last year leading academics voiced their dismay in a public petition. I can't locate a copy at this moment but instead link to this online news site with its own copy and a story.
www.stuff.co.nz...

Fascism is a very real developing threat in NZ.

Regular poster to ATS BlueMirage5 has posted a list of documents relevant to proposals linked to ChCh. A large amount of the NZ population does not back such enterprise, particularly large sections of Maori. And here it must be remembered the Treaty of Waitangi in NZ is the country’s virtual constitution. A fact the government is always aware of.　Mining is a very controversial topic anywhere. But in NZ it gets tangled further with traditional Maori land land and foreshore rights, and further complicated by tribal relations, and the question of representation of Maori as a whole identified mostly and unfortunately in the statistics for disproportionately large numbers amongst the most impoverished Kiwis.

Then there are the giant international corporations being lured to take a bite out of the NZ pie with a supposed trickle down benefit for Kiwis (New Zealanders). The average Kiwis will see no real direct benefit. The benefit goes to shareholders who are made up of mostly International investors abroad and only a very small section of the NZ population.

We saw how in the US in particular the murder of close to 3000 people in New York was seized by Washington to pass through the senate laws which have since that day stripped Americans of their constitutional rights, and shredded the Constitution itself.

Well, the similar steps have been taken to initiate just that outcome in NZ following the first earthquake. It is likely the second earthquake having wrought massive devastation not only the the largest city in the South Island but to the country's economy, will provide the reason for Wellington to accelerate the process.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Apologies. I keep hitting 'Quote' instead of 'Reply'.
Anyway, I have posted to you on the thread.

reply to post by muzzy

Apologies. I was hitting 'quote' instead of 'Reply'. Taking time for me to get a handle on ATS.
I posted a reply to you the thread. See above.