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End of the Tank Age?

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posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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Cool, this thing can take the turrets off an Abrams.

It's good stuff, too bad it costs too much.



E_T

posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Kozzy
Cool, this thing can take the turrets off an Abrams.
I think it should be able to literally go through whole tank.

The KEM, a long rod tungsten penetrator, accelerates up to 5000 feet per second and has five times the kinetic energy of current tank rounds. Time of flight to maximum range is less than five seconds.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by E_T

Originally posted by Clownface
"Ok boys.. you're going to hunt tanks in this small arms protected car that has fixed direction of fire and no fire on the run. Just hope that the enemy doesn't see you first and use anything bigger than 7.62mm while shooting you to pieces. Have a nice day.."

LOSAT's range is bigger than tanks' main guns.
And idea of this is to keep vehicle in covered position (like in edge of forrest) and when enemy's tanks come in to range launch couple missiles and retreat to other stalking position.

Do you think Bradleys could kill tanks with their much slower TOW-missiles if these much faster missiles in smaller (harder to detect) vehicle wouldn't work.?


"This program describes critical vulnerability and lethality issues and the scope of testing needed to address them, including the need for more than one FU for full-up, system-level LFT&E to support the planned full-rate production decision."

I'm not saying it won't work.. Just that such a kick a$$ weapon is a highpriority target and easily killed..



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Here is what the next generation of US light armored vehicles might be it will use an Electro Magnetic Gun.


The Army Research Laboratory (ARL) and Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control are developing an Electromagnetic (EM) Gun System. The objective of the EM GunTM Program is to demonstrate the feasibility of an electromagnetic gun meeting the expectations for the Future Combat Systems (FCS) main armament and is primarily focused on technology demonstration. The Army EM gun applied research program is contracted through 2007 and is organized in two phases. During Phase I, 2000-2005, the program is centered on a medium caliber gun demonstration, demonstrating critical technologies that support the rotating power supply development, and demonstrating a single rotating power supply. During the Phase II, 2005-2007, Missiles and Fire Control will integrate the EM technologies into an armament test-bed for demonstration in 2007 utilizing a large bore gun integrated with a power supply system that is comprised of two counter-rotating power generation alternators with support elements.







This is merely the tip of the iceberg in electromagnetic scaler weapons, there is much more in the works and in some cases already in service. One needs to step out of the box in order to focus on the threshhold we are crossing. A technological "Brave New World". Will it be positive or negative is anyone's guess[


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Obituary for Tank Warfare
Tanks useless against portable LW weapons

"For example, suppose one attacks a tank. [with an LW weapon]
With scalar EM pulse, the personnel die instantly. Total personnel kill is achieved.
All electronic systems of the tank are dudded. Total systems kill is achieved.
The ammunition in the tank explodes. Total kill is achieved.
The fuel explodes. This is another total kill mechanism.
That tank has been killed totally, by a variety of mechanisms, all simultaneously.
That's a k-kill in any analyst's book.
And don't worry about retrieval and repair. That tank is finished permanently.
Even the most modern tank is just as vulnerable as the most obsolete."

Bearden www.cheniere.org...



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TUT



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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All I'm saying is when is the Army getting lightsabers?



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 05:49 PM
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Don't bring up this scalar weapons crap in this thread. Please, keep that bullcrap to other threads.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by E_T

Originally posted by Kozzy
Cool, this thing can take the turrets off an Abrams.
I think it should be able to literally go through whole tank.

The KEM, a long rod tungsten penetrator, accelerates up to 5000 feet per second and has five times the kinetic energy of current tank rounds. Time of flight to maximum range is less than five seconds.


Penetration should go through current armor since its about 1100-1200mm KE...But since LEO-2A5 front turret armor is already 1000-1100mm That should translate into a 20-30% kill chance.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 08:51 PM
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ah stick a rail gun on a tank and you aint gona have a problem with enemy tanks if u fire first.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 08:59 PM
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Unmanned fighters, bombers and tanks are planned by the Department of Defense within the next 15 years.

Robotics is the future, but the robots will be the realistic types mentioned herein, not the Star Wars robots that look like people. Perhaps someday that will also happen but is unlikely in our lifetimes.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by psteel

Originally posted by E_T

Originally posted by Kozzy
Cool, this thing can take the turrets off an Abrams.
I think it should be able to literally go through whole tank.

The KEM, a long rod tungsten penetrator, accelerates up to 5000 feet per second and has five times the kinetic energy of current tank rounds. Time of flight to maximum range is less than five seconds.


Penetration should go through current armor since its about 1100-1200mm KE...But since LEO-2A5 front turret armor is already 1000-1100mm That should translate into a 20-30% kill chance.


If the KEM has a KE of 5 times current tank rounds, which have a 50% chance of poking across the front. It will blow through every tank in existance no problem.

Plus, I don't buy that the Leo KE armor is 1000-1100mm, probably more like 800-1000mm.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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electronic guns would be useless if they fire and EMP.....but im sure theyll add emp protection.....but it is still a risk to use that magnet gun



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:36 PM
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Get off this EMP crap, the chance of it actually being used in the real world is unlikely.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Kozzy


If the KEM has a KE of 5 times current tank rounds, which have a 50% chance of poking across the front. It will blow through every tank in existance no problem.

Plus, I don't buy that the Leo KE armor is 1000-1100mm, probably more like 800-1000mm.



120mm gun had twice the KE of 105mm but that didn't translate into twice as much penetration for the same penetrator design. In fact the difference was about 10% at most. SO 5 times the KE just means alot more potential. Its penetration will suck if its a short rod. But the diagrames are around and penetration estimates are predictable.

AS to LEO-2 armor its not a question of what you or I believe. Several sources have confirmed that the LEO-2A4 [1987] had 700mm KE and 1000mm HEAT resistance. The wedge applique adds 4 tons to the AFV of which aportion is the spall inner liner and the 3rd gen compositie armor.

The estimate is 3 tons for the applique with covers about 7m. That works out to about 165mm steel in two plates through the front plus the effect of the spaced plates on yaw etc. THis is reported to be atleast 1 projectile diameter per plate ....so thats 40-50mm additional resistance. larger APFSDS will result in greater loss maybe around 100-200mm.

If 3rd gen compositie increases resistance by 50mm and the liner another 20mm thats a minimum ~ 975mm [700+165+40+50+20 ] KE resistance to as much as 1135mm.


E_T

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000
electronic guns would be useless if they fire and EMP.....but im sure theyll add emp protection.....but it is still a risk to use that magnet gun

Actually tanks might be good in that aspect... after all tanks are made of metal.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:28 AM
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A Russian friend of mine said that there was always conflict along the Russian-Chinese border during Soviet times. The border was contested in some spots, so the armies of each country would clash. The Soviets could use the border as kind of a warfare testing ground. He said the Soviets experiemented with 'ionizing gasses from jet engines.' The engine would sit on a tank chassis. The tank would have a generator. It would fire the thrust at enemy targets and the thrust would carry a massive electric charge. He said it would basically melt tanks. Anyone know if this sounds valid at all?



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:00 AM
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a railgun wont screw up cause it doesnt need much 2 run.
generator,capacitor,rails,wires,slugs thats it.
also a slug going like 4 km/s is going to cause way more damage and it will be a 100% kill chance.

[edit on 19/07/04 by devilwasp]



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by taibunsuu It would fire the thrust at enemy targets and the thrust would carry a massive electric charge. He said it would basically melt tanks. Anyone know if this sounds valid at all?


Does not seem to be an effective thing to do. The tank would be blown up before it got close enuf to directly heat the opposing tank. Jet exhaust is hot comming off the turbine, but dissapates with distance.

Im not sure if you could gnerate a electrical charge and push it far enough to do any damage?????



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 10:09 AM
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Wait did the jet engine exhaust act like a sort of laser to melt the opposing tank or do you have to get really close to melt it? I don't see how you could melt a tank with jet exhaust form a far distance



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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well the heat is more moisture and electricity goes along conductable things like moisture.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
a railgun wont screw up cause it doesnt need much 2 run.
generator,capacitor,rails,wires,slugs thats it.
also a slug going like 4 km/s is going to cause way more damage and it will be a 100% kill chance.

[edit on 19/07/04 by devilwasp]


No what will happen is that simple spaced plates will shatter any projectile at that speed and protect the tank.Thats what whipple sheild showed far back when space flight was first explored. The only value of rail gun is to fire existing APFSDS at 2-2.5km/s....any more than this is pointless.



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