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If stars and flags were done away with, then there wouldn't be a problem. What's important is what is said.
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
No, there wouldn't be a problem if that were the case. But there is a problem because what people have said (the CONTENT) isn't treated in a consistent matter - if you are banned your content can longer receive any thanks and all prior thanks is completely removed. What they have said is treated in a different manner simply because they've been banned. Sorry to push my point, but you seem like a nice mod who might understand what I'm trying to say.
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
What they have said is treated in a different manner simply because they've been banned. Sorry to push my point, but you seem like a nice mod who might understand what I'm trying to say.
No, I'm trying to look at the bigger picture here, the FACT that a lot of members do in fact pay special attention to posts with a vast amount of stars. I'm saying that a lot of important information will be potentially overlooked by members because it didn't stand out as the awesome post it is. If they see the post, and choose not to read it because the member is banned - so be it, that is there CHOICE. I'm saying because all of these banned members have their posts stripped of stars, it reduces the coverage their contributions will receive - it's as simple as that - it only acts to move people away from the content of banned posters.
So you are concerned about your previous posts and the fact that the stars and flags are gone? For instance, when I am doing research and I have searched a subject and your thread comes up, you feel I might blow it off because of your banned status? Do I have that right?
Yeah, but the thing is, only seasoned or very intelligent members will pick up on the fact that stars are so extensively abused. Not to mention - they do actually work in a lot of cases, and good posts get a lot of stars. People DO pay attention to the stars more than you might think, and it does play a large role in what posts will receive the most coverage - there is no denying that. That's why they are abused so often.
You seem to be completely missing the point though...the stars and flags feature is so often abused, that most serious posters don't really hold any value in it, because if people took the time to read posts, they can determine for themselves which posts have worth and which don't.
Irrelevant. 1/3 of the members on here are previously banned members, it's easy to tell if you pay close attention. I would be happy if stars were removed all together, but not when valid content is treated differently from the rest. This isn't about me or my previous posts (if I indeed have any), it's about all the banned members and everything they have contributed to this website being degraded and treated in an unfair manner just because the staff don't want people paying attention to them or inquiring about them.
In fact a wave of intutition is currently sweeping over me, that makes me think that you, with a membership of approx 3 months are a returned banned member,
It's not about the member actually knowing, it's about the role of stars and how they affect what people will read and consider. Though I do think it's just shows respect to allow their content to remain the same as all other content on here, whether they know it or not, after all, they still put in the hard work to share it with the rest of us, if it's not to be deleted than it should remain in a neutral position worthy of receiving stars.
Why be concerned about appreciation being shown that the recipient has no possible way of being aware of?
Originally posted by masqua
Anyways, I stand by what I initially said... I don't like stars OR flags and wish they'd all go right into the bin.
The number of responses can greatly differ depending on the content, it doesn't need to be a good thread to receive lots of replies, it just needs to be controversial. But you say flags allow people to separate the very popular threads from the bad, well stars do the same thing for singular posts. I guarantee 90% of the people reading this, when they scroll through a thread, will almost always read a post if it has lots of stars. They have a purpose and it does work to some degree. Are we now saying stars are completely useless? Why does ATS strip posts of stars then?
Flags are a way to seperate hugely popular threads from the less so, but, honestly, I've seen some very impressive OP's wither from a lack of attention while the most inane gets tons of them. Tell me, though... don't the number of responses to an OP have the same effect as flags?
I think that constantly, like every time I visit ATS. People on here are amazingly naive or there are certain groups staring crap.
and I do sometimes think that the response with fewer or no stars makes more sense than the one with 20+
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
I guarantee 90% of the people reading this, when they scroll through a thread, will almost always read a post if it has lots of stars.
They have a purpose and it does work to some degree.
Are we now saying stars are completely useless?
Why does ATS strip posts of stars then?
Originally posted by Doomzilla
This is a user that hasn't been banned .
Not only is he saying he approves of infants being slaughtered (NICE! )
he contributes NOTHING with his 1 line reply .
yet you ban others who are polite , detailed and try to unite people . Without explanation .
What exactly is my accusation? That ATS is trying to take attention away from banned members and their posts? Well one of the admins has clearly stated on the first page of this thread that they did in fact remove the stars as to lower member inquiries about banned members - there are several moderately reasonable reasons.
So it looks like you are clearly accusing ATS staff of pushing an agenda of some sort.
My guess is you've never actually done an internet search on the topic of banned ATS members. There's quite a lot of info out there - but this site has been around for a VERY long time also.
If ATS was pushing an agenda it should be simple to show that there is a high incidence of banned members who specifically oppose said agenda and this could be shown via a logical analysis.