The Draft

Join Westpoint people you will be miles away from the front lines

[edit on 07/13/2004 by SpockO_o]

The draft may come and may not but whatever the cause all 18-26 should be proud to fight for America and as an American...the governments lies all the time we all know that it's nothing new but the government is not America we are what makes America...fight and be proud..run and become a politition...

[edit on 20-7-2004 by Resist]

Originally posted by 1Gov
im 17 and if they were a draft and i was old enough to be drafted i would fight proudly for my country......but if i were drafted to fight in the iraq war i would tell my government to $%@? off. i would not fight in a war that was not justified.... our government LIED to us to go to war.

How is killing another human being in the name of your country any better then killing in the name of God? It is nothing to be proud of...

Originally posted by kastinyque
We didnt want the war to go forward in the first place, otherwise canada would have sent troops, we were against it from the beginning. Canada did fight in the WWII and we sent our troops before the americans did. Also canada goes in and cleans up after the americans are done tearing a country to shreds.

i am sorry......but that's not true. We have reconstructed many nations.

Also, Canada decided not to join in the war with Iraq, but you did go to Afghanistan, Canadian forces fought there, althou not that many.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan

Originally posted by RogueX
A draft in the near future would probably not involve drafting millions of people. To avoid huge costs in training and pay, they would only draft as many as was needed. I am not for the draft, but if drafted I would serve my country proudly. Those drafted would likely end up driving trucks and cooking for the already trained current soldiers.

Of course if they have someting bigger than Iraq in mind, I could be terribly wrong.

why dratf people anyways? draftees get all the well trained people killed by doing stupid stuff anyways. if i were a soilder i would not serve with a draftee. i would wnat to serve with peopel that are there for the same reason i am there. i volunteered to be there. theres o point in drafting people. most of the deserters are draftees.

If I got drafted it doesn't mean I would be incompetent or not fight as hard. In this age they don't just hand you a gun and throw you out of a helicopter. Draftees would still be trained well just not specializing in anything. They would guard checkpoints and simple stuff like that. It would free up the current specialized and veteran troops for combat missions. I'm not sure if your attacking me or other would be draftees but by your punctuation and grammer I can tell you probably aren't sure yourself. You might get drafted yourself so be careful what you say.

Troops are not allowed to shoot unless they are shot upon...if someone is trying to kill you...would you not try to kill them first? You should be proud to represent your country whatever one it may be...hopefully you don't have to kill or be killed but either way you fight for your country....anybody in America that would not be proud to fight for their country should be kicked out....if the enemy attack the US..would you just run and hide and say I am not going to kill anyone I will be peacefull? I think and hope not I would hope that you would stand and fight for your country and be proud like all those in the past against the british and so on

The Army is currently making it's mission as far as recruiting goes. The Air Force and Navy will drawdown by 50,000 positions to augment the Army under a special Blue to Green program that offers incentives to personnel in those services to switch to service in the Army.

I do not see a draft happening anytime soon. (From someone who knows!)

TC

Those bills were killed in comitee a year and a half ago. Old news..

If there are current bills on the matter, I would appreciated a link or some more info about them.

Was also killed in early '99

[edit on 21-7-2004 by Milk]

I guess it�s the price we pay for all the freedoms that we are allowed living in this country. Fighting for it is something that I would be proud to do.

But honestly, I don�t see it happening in the near future.

The main problem I see with a draft is the money issue. We are having problems funding the troops we already have in Iraq and Afghanistan, how could we possibly afford double or even triple the amount?

All I can say is....Peace Corps here I come!

When I read the bill, I seem to get the impression that they will be picking and chosing who they will enlist in the armed forces, and the rest will serve their country in the civilian service...

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).


(a) IN GENERAL- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this Act.
(b) MATTER TO BE COVERED BY REGULATIONS- Such regulations shall include specification of the following:
(1) The types of civilian service that may be performed for a person's national service obligation under this Act.
(2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily.
(3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this Act, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.
(4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this Act and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons.
(5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this Act, including questions of conscientious objection.
(6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this Act through civilian service.
(7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this Act.
(c) USE OF PRIOR ACT- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this Act the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.
SEC. 5. INDUCTION.
(a) IN GENERAL- Every person subject to induction for national service under this Act, except those whose training is deferred or postponed in accordance with this Act, shall be called and inducted by the President for such service at the time and place specified by the President.
(b) AGE LIMITS- A person may be inducted under this Act only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 26.
(c) VOLUNTARY INDUCTION- A person subject to induction under this Act may volunteer for induction at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.
(d) EXAMINATION; CLASSIFICATION- Every person subject to induction under this Act shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service. The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.


which means, if they need someone in Iraq, laying telephone cables and you're one of those unemployed telecommunications people, well, you could be finding you was there.

or, if those store clerks were to go on strike like they did in california recently, and the president decided it was a security threat....hey, you might become a public servant at a cash register I guess. One of the other boards here has alot of links about this on it, and says more about the law...I just haven't gone through the links to know how much of it to believe. But, considering they seem to feel that they can just call back the reserves whenever they want...and keep them as long as they want....I don't think they plan on having a set 2 years here either, and I don't believe it will be kept within that age group. I don't even see it as a draft....it seems to be more of a "oops, we goofed up with the economy and don't know how to fix it.....let's go socialistic so we can decide who is worthy of what...
How else are we to keep in competition in a world where half the labor force is allowed to life in sub-human conditions?

Originally posted by 2Super7E123
But all I have to say, especially about the draft, is it will happen. I may be risking my job and life say those words, but it is true.

A little melodramatic, don't you think? Even if you were telling the truth - you may very well be risking your CLEARANCE or JOB, but not your LIFE...

I can tell you now most personnel within the military are beyond stressed out. There isn't enough support and morale going around to keep us fully functional.

Can we assume you mean MOST personnel at YOUR location? I know plenty of military personnel, and very few of them are "beyond stressed out" - with the exception of those that are being fired on.

Pending war with Asian countries. Korea, China, Taiwan. You name it, they are against us. WWIII is on the horizon. If you think this war on terrorism is bad, wait until you see whats in store in the next upcoming months to a few years. I am not promising anything, but I am saying I see and hear what goes on. I live it everyday, so WWIII is a highly likely event. Do not take any rumors lightly.

Again, I think you're taking your flair for the dramatic a little far.

My views from being inside the system further than some of you are will be a most powerful asset for when I post upon this message board within the near to far future. You will see why soon enough.

Come on man - you are not James Bond, nor are you John Titor. There are many of us here that are IN the military currently, or HAVE been. But do you see us trying to get attention by *trying* to sound so mysterious and "in the know"?

If you have something significant to share, then please do so. Make your point clearly, concisely, and with the greatest amount of detail possible - and you'll find that you'll get greater reactions/responses to your posts.

All that being said - Thank you for taking the time to share your viewpoint with us.

I don't live in the United States. I can tell you this much from what I have read so far that the mandatory Draft service will come into effect in the United States. I am going along with what I've read and also my intuition.

I am 31 and have been thru a double amputation on my right hand, so I assume "THEY" would not want me, but maybe I am wrong.

Draft

Backing the Draft

The Military is TOTALLY Opposed to a Draft A VOULENTEER army is a good army and Army of Boys and GIRLS who do not want to be there and do not want to fight I am a Former soldier and I tell you I would not want to be in a Foxhole with a Draftee.....Our Last Draft War Viatname a a Lost WAR/CONFLICT....I have a Son and a Daughter on the way...this efects me as much as anyone and unfortunately I agree draft may =Civil war#2.....if not ...a MASS change in government Officials....Government Senators and Reps. Who vote for a Draft will not see another day in Office come election day...

I thought this subject might have got more play than it did....