Patriot Act passes the House February 14, 2011

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by rancher1
Ya the self o pointed Pres of the Tea Party voted Yes on this, Michell Bachman.. Think the TP will bring this up to her? This bill is so much bigger then Obama Care.

I thought the TPers were going to come in and bring us smaller .gov! Not even months in, and they are already selling out those who voted for them....

Aint that the truth. It's really sad. I never put too much stock into the Tea Party to begin with, honestly. At least in that instance, I was realistic. It's all great to talk a big game before you're there...but once you are...back to business as usual.

The sad part is, I doubt the voters who brought them in will even hold them accountable. I'm not sure the majority of Americans even know what the Patriot Act is...aside from it "keeping us safe." Laughable.

It sucks to be America right now, take care boys and gals.

My congressman voted yea on this. The problem is I told him years ago that I would never vote for him again, because of his so-called "republican" politics, which are neo-con in-disguise. He's still here, and so am I. I consider myself conservative, but not fascist!

The patriot act being renewed? That was a given. We don't have enough sentient beings in our country to make a -dm- bit of difference.

We are screwed. See Enabling Act , whereby all these things in history are repeated.

See Historic Recurrence.

I know, preaching to the choir; maybe some fresh new young minds will catch on to this topic?!

is nugent, the congressman, nugent the hunter/rock singer.

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
My congressman voted yea on this. The problem is I told him years ago that I would never vote for him again, because of his so-called "republican" politics, which are neo-con in-disguise. He's still here, and so am I. I consider myself conservative, but not fascist!

The patriot act being renewed? That was a given. We don't have enough sentient beings in our country to make a -dm- bit of difference.

We are screwed. See Enabling Act , whereby all these things in history are repeated.

See Historic Recurrence.

I know, preaching to the choir; maybe some fresh new young minds will catch on to this topic?!

Very relevant links. Folks often repeat the line about the past repeating itself, but I think there aren't enough of us who really try to grasp how true it is. In a situation like this, it's fairly frightening, to say the least. The concepts you linked to are definitely worth a look, even for those who feel as though they are awakened.

Looking at it in terms of the Nazis could go a long way in helping people understand how horrific the very things we allow our own officials to enact are.

Americans don't seem to understand fascism if there isn't anyone being slaughtered outright or a war being fought. We truly are the land of hypocrisy at this point. Far too many people are under the impression that we're out there trying to elminate such regimes...without bothering to consider how dangerous things have gotten for liberty at home. I truly believe we've forgotten the face of our fathers.

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the congressman i assume that was a copy and paste job

I saw Schiff and was about to go bitch slap Peter Schiff before I remembered he wasn't elected. I can't imagine anyone affiliated with Austrian economics and true libertarianism to vote for something like this.

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Forgot to mention S&F for your OP.

One more thing, I hope this fits into your thread: Torture is something we as a nation have subscribed to. It has been determined that our forces and those who train them, and even our ex-commander-in-chief (GW Bush) deem it acceptable that we TORTURE. To supposedly keep some of us safe.

I don't want anyone keeping me safe by torturing ANY HUMAN BEING NOR ANY ANIMAL.

I KNOW that TORTURE is unacceptable, in the eyes of God, or whatever you all call your supreme being.

Not that you nor I have personal responsibility for this, but TORTURE resonates through the realms of hell, IMO. This gives the torture demons power on Earth. Don't let this happen please!

So, in addition, get RID OF TORTURERS!!!!

www.opencongress.org...
This link has a bit more info first and last names along with state and how they voted

The Nay votes will be accused of being "soft on terrorism." during the next election cycle.I have always had the feeling that DHS gives money to those who run against the people who vote for the extension of the Patriot act.

Originally posted by Alucard666
www.opencongress.org...
This link has a bit more info first and last names along with state and how they voted

Ah, very nice! I was still trying to separate out who was who. This helps quite a bit. Good stuff!

The Tea party got there Tit it the ringer on this one.. I think if Obama would of started the PA the republicans would of voted it down for sure.

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
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Forgot to mention S&F for your OP.

One more thing, I hope this fits into your thread: Torture is something we as a nation have subscribed to. It has been determined that our forces and those who train them, and even our ex-commander-in-chief (GW Bush) deem it acceptable that we TORTURE. To supposedly keep some of us safe.

I don't want anyone keeping me safe by torturing ANY HUMAN BEING NOR ANY ANIMAL.

I KNOW that TORTURE is unacceptable, in the eyes of God, or whatever you all call your supreme being.

Not that you nor I have personal responsibility for this, but TORTURE resonates through the realms of hell, IMO. This gives the torture demons power on Earth. Don't let this happen please!

So, in addition, get RID OF TORTURERS!!!!

Thanks!

That's fine by me, I say go for it. I'm not opposed to members clarifying other things they think we should have legislative responsibility for. I don't see how it could hurt to mention. Besides, we've got to start somewhere. Who is to say whether it will be through discussing one thing or another? The important thing is that there's discussion.

The glaring point shimmering just below the surface seems to be how little of a say we truly have in our governance.

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And yet Republicans have the absolute gall to claim repeatedly in public that they are trying to curtail the excesses of the Democratic government and it's "intrusion" into the private life of citizens.

I am neither Democratic nor Republican in my values (I believe in what is fair and right, not what is right or left), but the incredible and almost unbelievable hypocrisy is hard to stomach, let alone the fact that we as a population lap up such incredibly hollow rhetoric wherever the GOP leaves a drop.

Well it IS Valentines Day and I WAS hoping to get screwed tonight, just not by Uncle Sam.

Originally posted by mike dangerously
The Nay votes will be accused of being "soft on terrorism." during the next election cycle.I have always had the feeling that DHS gives money to those who run against the people who vote for the extension of the Patriot act.

That's a very good point. I wouldn't doubt it's correct. It's a shame that the reps we should be celebrating in this case will likely be the ones taking the most heat over it. Not enough of the general public are aware of what is at stake and what the Act entails.

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
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Forgot to mention S&F for your OP.

One more thing, I hope this fits into your thread: Torture is something we as a nation have subscribed to. It has been determined that our forces and those who train them, and even our ex-commander-in-chief (GW Bush) deem it acceptable that we TORTURE. To supposedly keep some of us safe.

I don't want anyone keeping me safe by torturing ANY HUMAN BEING NOR ANY ANIMAL.

I KNOW that TORTURE is unacceptable, in the eyes of God, or whatever you all call your supreme being.

Not that you nor I have personal responsibility for this, but TORTURE resonates through the realms of hell, IMO. This gives the torture demons power on Earth. Don't let this happen please!

So, in addition, get RID OF TORTURERS!!!!

You're on 'their' side, aren't you?

'Don't you know that we are doing this for your good? to protect American values, ideals, and the American way of life?'

If in 'protecting' our values, we have to completely abandon them, I would rather let the 'terrorists' attempt to dismantle our system. We all know that they will never be able to do so by force. Instead, by mere threat, they are forcing us to do their dirty work for them.

Originally posted by duality90
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And yet Republicans have the absolute gall to claim repeatedly in public that they are trying to curtail the excesses of the Democratic government and it's "intrusion" into the private life of citizens.

I am neither Democratic nor Republican in my values (I believe in what is fair and right, not what is right or left), but the incredible and almost unbelievable hypocrisy is hard to stomach, let alone the fact that we as a population lap up such incredibly hollow rhetoric wherever the GOP leaves a drop.

Great Post I think you speak for a lot of people on this. The Republicans are socialist as the Dems, there both jokes!!

Originally posted by duality90
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And yet Republicans have the absolute gall to claim repeatedly in public that they are trying to curtail the excesses of the Democratic government and it's "intrusion" into the private life of citizens.

I am neither Democratic nor Republican in my values (I believe in what is fair and right, not what is right or left), but the incredible and almost unbelievable hypocrisy is hard to stomach, let alone the fact that we as a population lap up such incredibly hollow rhetoric wherever the GOP leaves a drop.

The fact that we continue to perpetuate the two party system shows just how ignorant we are. Of course, in the end, we have little say.

I've always found it rather ironic that nowadays half the country can text in who the next American Idol should be at the same moment, but we have to elect people to make decisions for us. Just kind of silly, ya know?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Well it IS Valentines Day and I WAS hoping to get screwed tonight, just not by Uncle Sam.

Haha. LOVE it. I'm of the opinion that pointed humor has a tendency to truly convey some of the things we might struggle to say otherwise. A very accurate summary of the evening, I'm afraid.