Citizen "terrorist" hunters.

Well,

Here is just another way for them to spy on you.
www.foxnews.com...

"MIAMI � Law enforcement officials in central Florida are planning to train cable repairmen, exterminators and apartment managers to report signs of terrorism inside their clients� homes."

Frightening, absolutely fightening.

Didn’t you see what was happening?

We saw. There was nothing we could do. Our military had no modern weapons. The Nazis had technology and resources - they just invaded and took over - we were overwhelmed by their air power. They had spies everywhere - people spying on each other, just to have an ‘ace in the hole’ in case they were accused - and anyone who had a grudge against you could accuse you of something - just an accusation meant you’d disappear. Nobody dared ask where you had gone - anyone who returned was considered suspicious - what had they said, and who did they implicate? It was a climate of fear - there’s nothing anyone can do when the government uses fear and imprisonment to intimidate people. The government was above the law - even in Germany, it became “every man for himself.” Advancement was possible by exposing “traitors” - anyone who questioned the government. It didn’t matter if the people you accused were guilty or not - just the accusation was enough.

www.freedomforceinternational.org...

The above quote is an excerpt from a letter to the truthout.org site from a nazi germany survivor.
This is the road we are starting down, using terror as a means of pre-emptive invasion, the 2005 draft, constitutional change which reflects the Enabling Act of 1933, detention camps with no trial, torture and abuse of PoWs...

Never Forget!

[edit on 14-7-2004 by shanti23]

This can be considered a violation of our civil rights, maybe yes or maybe no. It all depends how you feel about our national security. Yes our national security and that means your well being as a citizen.
All Americans must be aware of the threats that are now facing our nation.
No one as ask you to give up your civil liberties only to assist in the apprehension of those who mean to do us harm. Don't be fooled by those who cry out that your rights are being violated by increasing vigeliance. These are the same individuals who are allowing the judicial system to decide what is right for nation.

Flycatch, dont take this the wrong way, but doesn't that sound strikingly similar to the justification of the doings of Nazi Germany? I care about our security as much as the next person, but have we been attacked since 9/11? I thought not, so why is it necessary now to allow Gestapo like activities to take place? This is just asking for another witch hunt like the Red Scare, I just hope more of this stuff doesn't happen.

It should be in every persons interest to be a "civilian/citizen terrorist hunter", I know I am, for my family and friends sake.

Think about it people, we can not depend on our "government" to do what needs to be done. They are for the most part like everybody else, human.

National security, is everyones job.

What the heck is going on?!?!?!!?

I cannot believe such a thing is being proposed! It's absolutely frightening!

If you have to be worried about the pest control and cable guys now... WTF?!?!!

Man, all this stuff could get really out of hand! One guy tried to light his shoes with a bic lighter and suddenly millions of people flying have to take off their shoes!

All this stuff is like looking for a needle in a freakin' haystack!

Originally posted by ADVISOR
It should be in every persons interest to be a "civilian/citizen terrorist hunter", I know I am, for my family and friends sake.

Think about it people, we can not depend on our "government" to do what needs to be done. They are for the most part like everybody else, human.

National security, is everyones job.

In a nice world that is true but I'm sad to say paranoia would play a serious detractor from your statement. Some people are ignorant and would call in everyone who has olive skin. I think the only role a civilian should play in national security is if a bunch of terrorists hijack a plane with boxcutters they should beat the __ out of them, other than that let the trained professionals do their job.

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[edit on 7/14/2004 by SoaringFalcon]

I don�t find this to be frightening, I feel more secure with this going on. Why not?

You neighbor is an unknown terrorist, his cable goes out one day, they call in one of these trained cable repair men, he spots some suspicious items around the house, notifies the authorities, and that is just one more bad guy taken down.

I don't find that scary at all.

Originally posted by MacKiller
I don�t find this to be frightening, I feel more secure with this going on. Why not?

You neighbor is an unknown terrorist, his cable goes out one day, they call in one of these trained cable repair men, he spots some suspicious items around the house, notifies the authorities, and that is just one more bad guy taken down.

I don't find that scary at all.

What would you consider "suspicious"

You have a point, however, it's time for people to wake up and shake off the ignorance. For if they don't, they are no better than those being led by the blind.

It happened once, that means it will happen again. History has proven that true, as it repeats...

Explosives, hand guns, phone lists with related terrorist numbers on it etc. etc. etc.

On the other hand, I do not think that these terrorists would be stupid enough to leave these just on the kitchen table.

The cable repair man might have to do some 'repairs' in the closet or under the bed.

I own a bunch of WWII weapons, and memoribilia, and I reenact WWII. I have alot of German items with Nazi markings on it, so if one of these guys sees that and turns me in as a domestic terrorist, what is my defense? I hate nazi's, but I collect relics, does that make me a terrorist? This is very bad no matter how you look at it. All it takes is someone who thinks guns=terror and woila! instant terrorist witch hunt.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
You have a point, however, it's time for people to wake up and shake off the ignorance. For if they don't, they are no better than those being led by the blind.

It happened once, that means it will happen again. History has proven that true, as it repeats...

Advisor, You're right people have to shake off the ignorance...terrorism comes in all colors races and creeds. Not 10 years ago the IRA was heaviliy into terrorism...we also have examples of our domestic terrorism in OKC. I hope that a majority of Americans will look at that and look at EVERYONE objectavily. I think because of ignorance people feel that terrorists have kufis and beards and anyone they see that fits that discription they are going to watch them closely when in reality they should be watching the guy in the suit and tie.

An environment of fear encourages people to be suspicious of everyone. Maybe you feel safe being protected but what happens when your neighbour gets annoyed at you for whatever reason (maybe he had a bad day) and decides to make accusations against you?

This type of "secure" system works both ways. If you want to make judgements/accusations about the way someone lives rest assured there is someone else out there who doesn't approve of your lifestyle either. So if you think it is well within your right to be judgemental of others well expect the same attitudes and suspicions directed at you.

When the governement pits the people against each other then EVERYONE becomes the enemy.

What baffles me the most is that people defend this type of behavior? LOL

Do not support a terror case, facts and actions are what the Department of Homeland Security are worried about. So what if somebody doesn't approve of what you do, that is an opinion, and opinions are like @ holes, everyone has them.

Perhaps the definition of Terror needs to be recollected here.

The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

�The term �terrorism� means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.

�The term �international terrorism� means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.

�The term �terrorist group� means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.

[edit on 14-7-2004 by ADVISOR]

I have read the posted comments and it appears that racial profiling and naizim have crept in to the conversation. Take a look and listen to what the news media broadcast every day.They tell you to aware of internate child molesters, serial rapiest and other nastry criminals.
There job is to alert the general public to these incideous individuals. Are they violating the civil rights of these indivduals? They are asking you, the public audience, to report these individuals to law enforcement agencies. This is the same thing our governmental agencies are seeking. There methods may be different but the ultimite goal is one in the same.

I am suddenly reminded of a quote by Edmunde Burke:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

How is training certain members of our civilian community to be aware of certain indicators of terrorism bad? How is giving these people knowledge of our enemies bad? Why is making members of our own community more aware of their surrounding evil and "Gestapo-like"?

The comments about the spying cable guy struck me as funny. I mean, who exactly has anything to fear from the cable guy? I could only come up with a few answers:

1) someone stealing cable
2) someone stealing software/files with their computer
3) someone using their computer for illegal purposes (like kiddie porn, for example)
4) somebody doing something obviously illegal in plain sight within their home (maybe like growing weed in their basement)

All the government wants to do is add terrorism to this list. Why is that bad? To me it seems like those persons who protest too much have something to hide.....if you are not a criminal or a terrorist why on earth would you fear this program?

And for those of you who think their will be a run on squealing on you by your disgruntled neighbors, don't you think the authorities will see right through that in an instant....unless, of course, you really do have something to hide....

Child molesters, serial rapist have NO "civil rights", they should be dragged into public and shot in the head, then left for the carrion to desicrate.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
Child molesters, serial rapist have NO "civil rights", they should be dragged into public and shot in the head, then left for the carrion to desicrate.

I agree with you 110% on that ADVISOR. These people are SICK and deserve to be punished for what they have done to others.

people spying on people? i think the point is that personal grudges will get in the way and make this country even more of a mess. they are using people to catch terrorists, but what about the article i saw a couple weeks or months ago ,about the delivery people spying on kids having parties where theres drinking and smoking or other things. it wont stop with terrorists but it will start with them.