reply to post by lizziejayne
I just watched an episode- as you suggested! I have to say, my opinion of them has only gotten worse. The arrogance, sexism and misogynism is
everywhere. One man was asked what he was looking forward to on his wedding, and he said "nothing, just getting drunk". He said he was looking forward
to having someone he owned, to do all his chores, look after him, and so on. After the wedding, they interviewed the couple, he informed his new bride
he owned her, she disputed this, saying she belonged to him, but he didn't own her. He just repeated he owned her- you could tell it was a "let's
pretend to make a joke out of a serious argument", particularly on the girls behalf, as she was probably scared of the consequences.
Repeatedly, the women said they were bored, and it wasn't fair that they had no say in the running of their camps, and so on. I imagine they'd have
other things they'd like to complain about, but can't, out of fear. One woman specifically said she was miserable, and that women shouldn't marry, or
at least should do everything they can and delay it as long as possible. Her marriage was shown in the same episode, she worked a full-time job, and
was happy doing it, however, after the wedding, she had to quit and was confined to her caravan. The men constantly repeated the women did everything
at home, and batted around the word culture to vindicate their thuggery, arrogance, and so on.
For me, though, the more extreme issue I had with their lifestyle is the sheer extravagence of it. One of weddings was ridiculous- it must have cost
over £15000 easily. One man, who was in charge of running a council owned estate (so basically their head gypsy), got a new car twice a year. He was
very proud of his brand new Audi convertable, and said it made him feel great. However, where did his money come from? The program specifically said
he was responsible for the maintanence of the caravan park, but his money came from "other means". After one couple got married, it showed them
haggling, buying several pieces of furniture, individually costing up to £5000. These people pay no tax, generally, yet happily use the services the
system provides, and often the council provide them with an area to stay. How can they afford such extreme expenses?
A few times the males said they were proud of their "culture"- I'm not sure getting drunk and having a "wake" consisting of 50+ people, in the middle
of a public cementary, whilst blaring out music as loud as you can is anything to be proud of. Nor is having to settle arguments with "honour" fights.
In the fight they showed, one of the lads started laying into the other, before the fight had even began, booting him on the ground several times,
after flooring him with a sucker punch. It was hardly an honourable bare knuckle fight. After one of the lads won, he spoke to the cameraman for
15seconds or so, and then told the cameraman to get out his face, or he'd send some guys round to beat him up.
Ok, now I really am being judgemental, but I really don't see anything positive about this way of life. However, on the positive side, I think most of
us here can feel extremely lucky we weren't born into this self-perpetuating cycle. Genuinely, I feel sorry for some of these people, as with their
cult like tactics, they really are in it for life- they have next to no choice.
Just incase I sound "snobbish", it's not that I think I'm far better than these people, and these are lowly paupers to be looked down on. The sheer
level of selfishness and the self-serving attitude is what disturbs me- the way they look down on women, and show no regard for anyone other than
themselves. If we all lived this way, the country would be ruined, what with no taxes, and their general disregard for law. I suppose they're not much
worse than Sir "tax avoider" Philip Green, though.
edit on 8-2-2011 by ScepticalBeliever because: (no reason given)