Profiles in Leadership : Battles For History - Leonidas I, Adolf Hitler, and George W Bush

I felt it was time to do something a little different and unique towards thread contributing in the Political Ideology forum area. This is an attempt to both speak about unique leaders throughout history, regardless of my opinion, although I will assusredly share my personal perspectives, as well with those individual leaders accomplishments, both bad and good, both benevolent and atrocious, and historical as well as modern views on those men and women who have changed and or altered our collective consciousnesses due to their impact upon society within their individual timeframes.

Quote from : Wikipedia : List of Political Ideologies

This is a list of political ideologies.

Many political parties base their political action and election program on an ideology.

In social studies, a political ideology is a certain ethical set of ideals, principles, doctrines, myths or symbols of a social movement, institution, class, and or large group that explains how society should work, and offers some political and cultural blueprint for a certain social order.

A political ideology largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends it should be used.

Some parties follow a certain ideology very closely, while others may take broad inspiration from a group of related ideologies without specifically embracing any one of them.

The popularity of an ideology is in part due to the influence of moral entrepreneurs, who sometimes act in their own interests.

Political ideologies have two dimensions:

1.Goals: How society should function or be organized.

2.Methods: The most appropriate way to achieve this goal.

An ideology is a collection of ideas.

Typically, each ideology contains certain ideas on what it considers to be the best form of government (e.g. democracy, autocracy, etc.), and the best economic system (e.g. capitalism, socialism, etc.).

Sometimes the same word is used to identify both an ideology and one of its main ideas.

For instance, "socialism" may refer to an economic system, or it may refer to an ideology which supports that economic system.

I will attempt to do this three leaders at a time, working on more ancient leaders, slightly more modern, and as well very recent to current leaders.

The reason behind this different thread style is because I am attempting to grow as a conspiracy theorist, as well as open up the threads spectrum towards other people sharing more of their thoughts, as I get told all the time that I put so much that few people know how and or what to add to or include, something I loathe to hear only because I know I have left far and away many things out for other people but due to my research abilities and ability to creatively share it tends to lend towards opposition of sharing through intimidation. In other words I share a lot and have a huge mouth.

Something that has always been said of me and I have no issue with, usually other people do, so here goes nothing.

Please keep in mind a majority of this information is my personal perspective mixed with thorough research.

While I will certainly stand my ground with facts I will as well utilize books and links I am familiar with.

And give ground only to people sharing their particular interests and or personal views.

As well as vehemently defend my views of both ancient and modern societal differences.

In other words I am kicking up my ATS membership a few notches, getting more aggressive, and challenging you.

Part 1 : Leonidas and the "Hot Gates" of Thermopylae

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Leonidas is my first profile in leadership, both near and dear to my heart not only because I was told by a self-proclaimed psychic that I was this heroic leader in a past life, but because in this life I was raised very much like this warrior through learning the Art of War since age 6, I was as well taught many diverse leadership techniques, and sought out many throughout the lifespan I have inhabited this planetary dustball we call Earth.

Leonidas I

Quote from : Wikipedia : Leonidas I

Leonidas was a hero-king of Sparta, the 17th of the Agiad line, one of the sons of King Anaxandridas II of Sparta, who was believed in mythology to be a descendant of Heracles, possessing much of the latter's strength and bravery.

He is notable for his leadership at the Battle of Thermopylae.

Country : Greece - Nation-State : Sparta (Pelopennese)

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Birth : Unknown, theorized 540 BC

Title : King of Sparta

Religion : Polytheism (worship of more than one "God")

Government : Oligarchy

Most Notable Saying : Molon Labe (Come and Get Them, reference to Xerxes to come take the Spartan's weapons)

Most Notable Achievement : Defending his country and dying a free-man through Pyrrhic Victory.

Death : August 7 480 BC

Leonidas is most commonly known for leading 300 Spartan's to the Pass of Thermopylae and defending it to their deaths against the Persian King (Iran/Iraq), Xerxes, against both religious and mandated law, the Carnea, a festival held in the honor of Apollo.

Sparta

Quote from : Wikipedia : Sparta

Sparta or Lacedaemon, was a prominent city-state in ancient Greece, situated on the banks of the River Eurotas in Laconia, in south-eastern Peloponnese.

It emerged as a political entity around the 10th century BC, when the invading Dorians subjugated the local, non-Dorian population.

From c. 650 BC it rose to become the dominant military land-power in ancient Greece.

Given its military pre-eminence, Sparta was recognized as the overall leader of the combined Greek forces during the Greco-Persian Wars.

Between 431 and 404 BC, Sparta was the principal enemy of Athens during the Peloponnesian War, from which it emerged victorious, though at great cost.

Sparta's defeat by Thebes in the Battle of Leuctra in 371 BC ended Sparta's prominent role in Greece.

However, it maintained its political independence until 146 BC, when the Romans conquered Greece.

Sparta was unique in ancient Greece for its social system and constitution, which completely focused on military training and excellence.

Its inhabitants were classified as Spartiates (Spartan citizens, who enjoyed full rights), Mothakes (non-Spartan free men raised as Spartans), Perioikoi (freedmen), and Helots (state-owned serfs, enslaved non-Spartan local population).

Spartiates underwent the rigorous agoge training and education regimen, and Spartan phalanxes were widely considered to be among the best in battle.

Spartan women enjoyed considerably more rights and equality to men than elsewhere in the classical world.

Sparta was the subject of fascination in its own day, as well as in the West following the revival of classical learning. Sparta continues to fascinate Western Culture; an admiration of Sparta is called laconophilia.

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Thermopylae

Quote from : Wikipedia : Thermopylae

Thermopylae is a location in Greece where a narrow coastal passage existed in antiquity.

It derives its name from several natural hot water springs.

A video of the current "hot gates".

Thermal Water, Thermopylae Greece, Hot Gates


Onto the battle which made Leonidas famous still to this day.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Battle of Thermopylae

The Battle of Thermopylae was fought between an alliance of Greek city-states, led by Sparta, and the Persian Empire of Xerxes I over the course of three days, during the second Persian invasion of Greece.

It took place simultaneously with the naval battle at Artemisium, in August or September 480 BC, at the pass of Thermopylae ('The Hot Gates').

The Persian invasion was a delayed response to the defeat of the first Persian invasion of Greece, which had been ended by the Athenian victory at the Battle of Marathon.

Xerxes had amassed a huge army and navy, and set out to conquer all of Greece.

The Athenian general Themistocles had proposed that the allied Greeks block the advance of the Persian army at the pass of Thermopylae, and simultaneously block the Persian navy at the Straits of Artemisium.

A Greek force of approximately 7,000 men marched north to block the pass in the summer of 480 BC.

The Persian army, alleged by the ancient sources to have numbered in the millions but today considered to have been much smaller (various figures are given by scholars ranging between about 100,000 and 300,000), arrived at the pass in late August or early September.

Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held off the Persians for seven days in total (including three of battle), before the rear-guard was annihilated in one of history's most famous last stands.

During two full days of battle, the small force led by King Leonidas I of Sparta blocked the only road by which the massive Persian army could pass.

After the second day of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a small path that led behind the Greek lines.

Aware that his force was being outflanked, Leonidas dismissed the bulk of the Greek army, and remained to guard the rear with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, 400 Thebans and perhaps a few hundred others, the vast majority of whom were killed.

After this engagement, the Greek navy at Artemisium received news of the defeat at Thermopylae.

Since their strategy required both Thermopylae and Artemisium to be held, and given their losses, the Greek navy decided to withdraw to Salamis.

The Persians overran Boeotia and then captured the evacuated Athens.

However, seeking a decisive victory over the Persian fleet, the Greek fleet attacked and defeated the invaders at the Battle of Salamis in late 480 BC.

Fearing to be trapped in Europe, Xerxes withdrew with much of his army to Asia, leaving Mardonius to complete the conquest of Greece.

The following year, however, saw a Greek army decisively defeat the Persians at the Battle of Plataea, thereby ending the Persian invasion.

Both ancient and modern writers have used the Battle of Thermopylae as an example of the power of a patriotic army of freemen defending native soil.

The performance of the defenders at the battle of Thermopylae is also used as an example of the advantages of training, equipment, and good use of terrain as force multipliers and has become a symbol of courage against overwhelming odds.

A few books, by no means are these the limit, on Sparta, Leonidas, and the Battle of Thermopylae I have read.

Spartan Reflections : By Paul Cartledge

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Amazon Review :

The complex and distinctive Spartan tradition has been a prominent theme in western thinking from antiquity to today.

Sparta is also one of a handful of ancient Greek cities with enough existing evidence for historians to create a realistic social portrait.

Over the past quarter-century Paul Cartledge has established himself as the leading international authority on ancient Sparta.

Spartan Reflections is a superb collection of his essays--two are published here for the first time, and the rest, often difficult to locate, have been revised and updated for publication in book form.

Giving us a real sense of what Sparta was like as a culture, these essays constitute a fascinating introduction to and overview of ancient Spartan history and its reception.

This collection, unique in breadth and scope, will be an essential source for anyone interested in this idiosyncratic society.

Cartledge brings us up to date on what is known about the most important and intriguing aspects of Sparta: its military development, questions of gender and sexuality, and the difficult problem of artistic and literary aspects of Sparta.

We learn about the institutions that distinguished Sparta from other city-states, including its religion, education process, degree of literacy, secret service, unusual system of servitude, and institutionalized pederasty.

Throughout, Cartledge also makes important comparisons with Athens, helping us grasp what is really striking about Sparta.

Cartledge's writing is clear and engaging as he draws from myriad sources both ancient and modern, as well as from political and cultural theory.

These essays, together with their magisterial bibliography, demonstrate his remarkable scholarly and intellectual range.

Spartan Reflections will be an important source on the most significant issues in Sparta scholarship today as well as a fascinating look at this culture for general readers.

Thermopylae: The Battle For The West

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Amazon Review :

An impressively accessible narrative depicting the three-day battle for the pass at Thermopylae (the Hot Gates)--a critical contest in Xerxes's massive invasion of Greece.

The bloody stand made there by Leonidas and his small Spartan army in 480 B.C. has been hailed ever since as an outstanding example of patriotism, courage, and sacrifice.

The Peloponnesian War : By Donald Kagan

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Publishers Weekly : Amazon Review :

Beginning in 1978, Kagan's publication of the four-volume History of the Peloponnesian War established him as the leading authority on that seminal period in Greek history.

Despite its accessible writing style, however, the work's formidable length tended to restrict its audience to the academic community.

This single volume, based on the original's scholarship but incorporating significant new dimensions, is intended for the educated general reader.

Kagan, a chaired professor of classics and history at Yale, describes his intention to offer both intellectual pleasure and a source of the wisdom so many have sought by studying this war.

On both aims he succeeds admirably.

The war between the Athenian Empire and the Spartan Alliance, fought in the last half of the 5th century B.C., was tragedy.

Fifty years earlier, the united Greek states had defeated the Persian Empire and inaugurated an era of growth and achievement seldom matched and never surpassed.

The Peloponnesian War, however, inaugurated a period of brutality and destruction unprecedented in the Greek world.

Like the Great War in 1914-1918, participants recognized even while the fighting went on that things were changing utterly.

The contemporary history written by Thucydides is the best source for this complex story, but not the only one, and much of the value of this work lies in Kagan's brilliant contextualization of his ancient predecessor's work.

The volume's ultimate worth, however, lies in the perceptive, magisterial judgment Kagan brings to his account of the war that ended the glory that was ancient Greece.

Kagan gives us neither heroes and villains nor victors and victims.

What infuses his pages is above all a sense of agency: men making and implementing decisions that seemed right at the time however they ended.

Such lessons will not be lost on contemporary readers.

Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc.

I have studied Greek and Roman history in their entirety all of my life as well as war history, war strategy, and the politics of war.

There were 300 Spartan's, 7000 other assorted Greeks, plus approximately 4000 Helot's present.

The reason the Helot's, who were slaves, were not counted, was both because they were slaves, who were armed, as well as being slaves they were deemed as sub-human, so did not count and were not included because of their low social status.

The reason only 300 Spartan's were remembered at the Battle of Thermopylae is that Leonidas sent the other Greeks away because he wanted to show the Greek nations that Spartan's were the only true warriors, receiving all the glory of having battled to the bitter end with Xerses forces, in essence, he was a gloryhound, but only in the aspect of his ego matching his might as a true warrior-King.

The Greek's were always bitter rivals between each nation and were always susceptible to betrayal from within, which is why the saying of "beware of Greeks bearing gifts" is so appropriate, especially since the Trojan Horse is what led to the downfall of Troy the Greek's having learned their lesson of betrayal from within.

In actuality, what most people do not know, is that Leonidas set a trap for Xerses at Thermopylae, knowing full well of the goat path that the Persian "Immortals" used to get behind their defenses at the wall. King Leonidas, knowing full well of the betrayal of fellow Greeks, counted on this, knowing they would get sick of real battle because for two days the King made the Persian pay dearly for their attempt at passing through the Hot Gates, and after the second day, Leonidas sent the other Greek's away, belittling them as messengers to tell the other nations of Greece of their glorious battle. He used this to his full advantage at Thermopylae, setting up the pass as a great chokepoint to bottle up the Persian's who were numbered approximately at 200,000, with assorted supply bearers and various other people who brought their number well above 1 million.

What most do now know or realize is that the Persian's were cowards, they had to be driven to battle with whips and threat of torture, while the Spartan's approached battle and death willingly.

Before anyone asks me, I thought the movie "300" sucked, it was not historically accurate enough for my liking, but then again it is Hollywood and we all know they get paid to lie as a profession.

Go tell the Spartans, thou who passest by,
That here, obedient to their laws, we lie.

This saying is appropriate because Leonidas in essence told the politician's who were betraying Sparta and all of Greece with their complicit, tacit, and implicit betrayal of his beloved nation that he and his Spartan's were the only true followers of the law because to betray ones nation was a sin against Sparta and all they stood for which was to protect that which was theirs.

The Greeks always fought amongst themselves, but when it came to battling another outside force they would come together, this time however Xerses has learned the lessons of his father Darius and had approached the correct politician's within all of Greece by sending emmisaries, spy's, and gold aplenty to buy them or their cooperation.

Leonidas knew his dieing at Thermopylae would unite all of Greece as a wake up call because of the prophecy at the Oracle of Delphi of the death of a King.

Hear your fate, O dwellers in Sparta of the wide spaces;
Either your famed, great town must be sacked by Perseus' sons,
Or, if that be not, the whole land of Lacedaemon
Shall mourn the death of a king of the house of Heracles,
For not the strength of lions or of bulls shall hold him,
Strength against strength; for he has the power of Zeus,
And will not be checked till one of these two he has consumed.

This was in essence, Leonidas seeking out how to use the system against itself, and bypass the bogus orders where he was told to stand down by the corrupt politician's.

What most do not know as well, is that the Oracle of Delphi, is a nexus point where travelers flocked and the Oracle would pay the slaves of their master's for information and the "prophecies" were in actuality the religious taboos mixed with actual intelligence collected from the travelers coming to pay their respects to the Oracle.

Today's modern equivalent to the Oracle of Delphi is the C.I.A.

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Interesting that all three leaders in your title can all be connected to the Babylonian cross known today as the Swaztika .If you can find a photo depicting the Leondas statue from another angle , you will notice the Swaztika on the strap across his shoulder and chest .

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
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Interesting that all three leaders in your title can all be connected to the Babylonian cross known today as the Swaztika .If you can find a photo depicting the Leondas statue from another angle , you will notice the Swaztika on the strap across his shoulder and chest .

I find it more fascinating you decided to fixate on that one particular image.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Swastika : Origin Hypotheses

The ubiquity of the swastika symbol is easily explained by its being a very simple shape that will arise independently in any basket-weaving society.

The swastika is a repeating design, created by the edges of the reeds in a square basket-weave.

Other theories attempt to establish a connection via cultural diffusion or an explanation along the lines of Carl Jung's collective unconscious.

The genesis of the swastika symbol is often treated in conjunction with cross symbols in general, such as the "sun wheel" of Bronze Age religion.

Beyond its certain presence in the "proto-writing" symbol systems emerging in the Neolithic, nothing certain is known about the symbol's origin. There are nevertheless a number of speculative hypotheses.

Carl Sagan in his book Comet (1985) reproduces Han period Chinese manuscript (the Book of Silk, 2nd century BC) that shows comet tail varieties: most are variations on simple comet tails, but the last shows the comet nucleus with four bent arms extending from it, recalling a swastika.

Sagan suggests that in antiquity a comet could have approached so close to Earth that the jets of gas streaming from it, bent by the comet's rotation, became visible, leading to the adoption of the swastika as a symbol across the world.

Bob Kobres in Comets and the Bronze Age Collapse (1992) contends that the swastika like comet on the Han Dynasty silk comet atlas was labeled a "long tailed pheasant star" (Di-Xing) because of its resemblance to a bird's foot or track. Kobres goes on to suggest an association of mythological birds and comets also outside China.

In Life's Other Secret (1999), Ian Stewart suggests the ubiquitous swastika pattern arises when parallel waves of neural activity sweep across the visual cortex during states of altered consciousness, producing a swirling swastika-like image, due to the way quadrants in the field of vision are mapped to opposite areas in the brain.

Alexander Cunningham and suggested that the Buddhist use of the shape arose from a combination of Brahmi characters abbreviating the words su astí.

Because it had little to nothing to do with the entire thread's original concept.

You do know Hitler stole the majority of his power throughout history by connecting false information?

One might say he "weaved" his lies together to gain his power.

He sent search teams throughout the world trying to connect imaginary dots.

As well the concept of a "master race" was stolen from the Spartan's.

And look what the monster did with it by scapegoating the Jews for his own countries follies.

Instead of owning up to the German's idiocy from WWI and through the rest of the countries manipulaing war reparations to such overstagering fees, interest rates, and living in denial, your old buddy, Adolph Hitler, decided to take the German's on a much wilder "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" by pushing them to hate the Israelite's for something they had little to no control of to begin with.

Since you drew the battlelines within this thread towards that Austrian idiot I will go there.

You do know Hitler was not German, he was Austrian, and joined the German military, correct?

So, just how did Adolph Hitler get into power so easily, how did he track down the Jews?

The answer is quite simple and it is a two location answer followed up by a few book references.

Wall Street and the Reichstage Fire

Quote from : Wikipedia : Wall Street

Wall Street is the financial district of New York City.

It is also the name of the street running from Broadway to South Street on the East River.

Over time Wall Street came to signify a geographic location encompassing a commercial downtown Manhattan neighborhood as well as signifying the historical financial center of the United States.

The term has become a metonym signifying New York-based financial interests.

It is the first permanent home of the New York Stock Exchange, the world's largest stock exchange by market capitalization of its listed companies.

Anchored by Wall Street, New York City is one of the principal financial centres of the world.

Several major U.S. stock and other exchanges have headquarters on Wall Street and in the Financial District, including the NYSE, NASDAQ, AMEX, NYMEX, and NYBOT.

Wall Street is important in a nation such as the United States in which former president Calvin Coolidge once remarked "The business of America is business" and in which rising stock markets are called bulls and falling markets are called bears.

And let us not forget the catalyst shall we?

Quote from : Wikipedia : Reichstag Fire

The Reichstag fire was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933.

The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.

At 21:25hrs (UTC +1), a Berlin fire station received an alarm call that the Reichstag building, the assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze.

The fire started in the Session Chamber, and, by the time the police and firefighters had arrived, the main Chamber of Deputies was engulfed in flames.

Inside the building, a thorough search conducted by the police resulted in the finding of Marinus van der Lubbe.

Van der Lubbe was a Dutch insurrectionist, council communist, and unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany, ostensibly to carry out his political activities.

The fire was used as evidence by the Nazis that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe and four Communist leaders were subsequently arrested.

Adolf Hitler, who had been sworn in as Chancellor of Germany four weeks before, on 30 January, urged President Paul von Hindenburg to pass an emergency decree to counter the "ruthless confrontation of the Communist Party of Germany".

With civil liberties suspended, the government instituted mass arrests of Communists, including all of the Communist parliamentary delegates.

With them gone and their seats empty, the Nazis went from being a plurality party to the majority; subsequent elections confirmed this position and thus allowed Hitler to consolidate his power.

Meanwhile, investigation of the Reichstag fire continued, with the Nazis eager to uncover Comintern complicity.

In early March 1933, three men were arrested who were to play pivotal roles during the Leipzig Trial, known also as the "Reichstag Fire Trial": Bulgarians Georgi Dimitrov, Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov.

The Bulgarians were known to the Prussian police as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea how senior they were; Dimitrov was head of all Comintern operations in Western Europe.

Historians disagree as to whether Van der Lubbe acted alone or whether the arson was planned and ordered by the Communists (or the Nazis themselves, as a false flag operation).

The responsibility for the Reichstag fire remains an ongoing topic of debate and research.

Marinus van der Lubbe was a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald was to the J.F.K. assassination.

Nothing more than a scapegoat.

In staging a coup d'état, a bloody one at that, one of many types of coups.

But I digress.

Here are a few sources of my information of my ascertations about Wall Street being behind the monster.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation

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Amazon Review :

Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?

That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.

"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.

"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project.

The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.

Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.

Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?

Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.

The moral argument turns on one question: How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?

Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler.

He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.

(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.)

Black has created a must-read work of history.

But it's also a fascinating business book examining the colliding influences of personality, morality, and cold strategic calculation.

--Tim Appelo

Bolded by SKL

The above book is how Hitler tracked down the Jews so quickly as he had American assistance.

The Game of the Foxes: The Untold Story of German Espionage in the United States and Great Britain During World War II

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The above book is the dealing, double-dealing, and backstabbing of espionage play both before and after WWII.

Wall Street and FDR Wall Street and FDR : Digital Copy

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The above book is all about Franklin Delano Roosevelt dabbled with Wall Street.

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

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Amazon Review :

This important book goes into the role of Morgan banking executives in funneling illegal Bolshevik gold into the U.S. and how the American Red Cross was co-opted by powerful forces on Wall Street.

It also tells of Wall Streeters who intervened to free Leon Trotsky, even though Trotsky's stated aim was to engineer 'the real revolution'... The Soviet coup which toppled Kerensky, and much more.

The above book is all about a major coup staged against Russia when they were our allies.

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

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SKL's Amazon Review :

This book is quite literally a tell all of all the names of who financed Adolph Hitler's rise to power by financial means.

The man didn't get into power just by his lies, but by lies of other men too, the men with power, with money, and influence, and the access to Wall Street.

You would be surprised to see the names within this book that financed "the funny little man, with the funny little mustache" that almost took over the entire world.

I will not ruin the book for you by telling all the names in it, but I will tell you two men's name I know you will instantly recognize. Henry Ford & Edsel Ford.

Yes, those "Ford's", from Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford even got the highest award the Nazi's could give to a foreigner, in recognition of his assistance to Adolph Hitler, and his picture hung in Hitler's office. J

ust so you know, I am not a fan of the Nazi's, nor am I a racist of any kind, nor a fan of Adolph Hitler.

I'm following a papertrail to find out all the names of who helped the man get into power to begin with, because I am someone who knows there's more to history than what they teach you in school.

It doesn't just come down to the lies a politician tells the people who put them in office, but to the power-brokers who finance the man.

Adolph Hitler was a politician, plain and simple.

He knew how to lie to the people and give them comfort through manipulative persuasion and then when the people willingly gave him the power he went for the throat of the world.

Another good book that tells the details of who assisted Hitler that you may be able to find here on Amazon is, "IBM and the Holocaust." Yes, I am talking about that "IBM" here too.

They helped Hitler track down the Jews and other "undesirables" (Hitler's words, not Mine) through the use of the census and the Hollerith Card Sorting Machine.

And the above review, of the above book, will tell you a teaser about its contents.

Now, since you brought up that tidbit, do you not feel so much better I've done thorough research?

It is odd, is it not, how all these corporations did business with the Nazi's yet are still operating?

Let us take for instance International Business Machine or more aptly referred to as I.B.M..

Thomas Watson assisted Hitler is gaining power through information access to the Census.

Something he was simultaneously doing for the American Federal Government during this timeframe.

Yet they never faced any charges for War Crimes now did they?

Let us go to Wikipedia for a reference the above mentioned book I.B.M. and the Holocaust shall we?

Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M. and the Holocaust

IBM and the Holocaust is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II.

In the book, Black outlines the way in which IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide against the Jewish people through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data.

Now it gets interesting if we look at the response by I.B.M. to criticize Edwin Black and his book.

Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M. and the Holocaust : Company Response

While not directly contradicting Black's evidence, IBM has questioned Black's research methodology and conclusions.

IBM indicates it does not have much information about this period or the operations of Dehomag, as most documents were destroyed or lost during the war.

IBM also claimed that a lawsuit, which was dismissed, was filed to coincide with the book launch.

In 2002, IBM disputed Edwin Black's claim that IBM is withholding materials regarding this era in its archives.

Nevertheless, IBM subsequently turned over a substantial portion of it corporate records of the period to academic archives in New York and Stuttgart, for review by independent scholars.

Edwin Black in his article published in George Mason University's History News Network openly accused IBM advocates of systematic elimination of references to IBM's role in the Holocaust in the Wikipedia article History of IBM.

Notice the implication that they have no clue what Black is ascerting as well as their own lack of evidence?

Two words for you here.

Cover-Up.

Plain and simple.

And this is all before I truly delve into the second profile of leadership within my title.

Not bad if I do not say so myself.

This is only one company out of many with dirty hands still operating today.

Plus I.B.M. is still working on information databases towards enslavement at the hands of the World Bank.

Heard of the R.F.I.D. Program and its implications?

How about the tiny, smaller than a Swastika, device I.B.M. is working in tandem with our own Government with?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7c49045f0b3d.jpg[/atsimg]

Insignificant, apparently, according to those designing our slave collars, as insignificant as a penny.

Yet corporations tied to current business practices can be tied to I.B.M. and the R.F.I.D. program.

I will give you a short, very short, but very detailed list to examine them for yourself :

Quote from : Wikipedia : Verichip

VeriChip is the only Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.

It is marketed by VeriChip Corporation, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, and it received United States FDA approval in 2004.

About twice the length of a dime, the device is typically implanted between the shoulder and elbow area of an individual’s right arm.

Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which could be then linked with information about the user held on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses.

The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a physician's office.

As an implanted device used for identification by a third party, it has generated controversy and debate.

Destron Fearing, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, initially developed the technology for the VeriChip.

And Verichip's "sister" company, a dual-faced organization, sharing an office in Delray Beach, Florida.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Digital Angel

Digital Angel, Inc. (NASDAQ: DIGA) develops global positioning satellite (GPS) and radio frequency identification (RFID) technology products for consumer, commercial, and government sectors worldwide.

Headquartered in South St. Paul, Minnesota, their products offer security for people, animals, the food supply, government/military arena, and commercial assets.

Included in this product line are RFID applications, end-to-end food safety systems, GPS/Satellite communications, and telecommunication, security infrastructure and the controversial Verichip human implant, a product which has caused concern among advocates of civil liberties.

Applications for this technology include pets, wildlife and livestock identification using implantable RFID microchips, scanners and antennas.

Digital Angel has also researched and developed GPS search and rescue beacons that integrate geosynchronous communications for use by the military and the private sector to track aircraft, ships and other high value assets.

And a sinister implication through another subsidiary.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

I.B.M., the same company, which wants to make this happen?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4d0ab0bbc547.jpg[/atsimg]

Does this remind you of something in our airports which the Transportation Security Admininstration might want?

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market


Now what was that about the Swastika again?

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

Interesting that all three leaders in your title can all be connected to the Babylonian cross known today as the Swaztika .If you can find a photo depicting the Leondas statue from another angle , you will notice the Swaztika on the strap across his shoulder and chest .

I find it more fascinating you decided to fixate on that one particular image.

Because it had little to nothing to do with the entire thread's original concept.

Instead of owning up to the German's idiocy from WWI and through the rest of the countries manipulaing war reparations to such overstagering fees, interest rates, and living in denial, your old buddy, Adolph Hitler, decided to take the German's on a much wilder "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" by pushing them to hate the Israelite's for something they had little to no control of to begin with.

Since you drew the battlelines within this thread towards that Austrian idiot I will go there.

You do know Hitler was not German, he was Austrian, and joined the German military, correct?

ust so you know, I am not a fan of the Nazi's, nor am I a racist of any kind, nor a fan of Adolph Hitler.

I'm following a papertrail to find out all the names of who helped the man get into power to begin with, because I am someone who knows there's more to history than what they teach you in school.

Now, since you brought up that tidbit, do you not feel so much better I've done thorough research?

Two words for you here.

Plain and simple.

Not bad if I do not say so myself

Now what was that about the Swastika again?

edit on 1/29/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

Yes , what is with the above remarks ? Did I hit a nerve with truth ? DON'T YOU EVER PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH OR THINK FOR ME !

Hittler is not my Buddy !

Yes I know Hittler was Austrian !

I drew battlelines ? More like your three leaders you admire so much have just been outed as fascist ! Yes you admire them because Leonidas is your hero avatar and you are attempting to tie them together !No wonder you could pull up so many referance's .You know this and it is why you are so defensive .

Awesome you know history that they don't teach in school hmmm ,legendary ! So do I friend and that is why and how I could make the connections that I did and expose the pathetic rebuttal of yours !

Oh yes master I feel so much better that you have done such thorough research ! More like it is going to keep readers awake at night , worried that their are people like you out there .

Yeah I have two words for you too !

Not bad if you say so yourself ? Friend get some help .

So what was that about the swaztika again ? O k I w i l l t y p e a l i t t l e s l o w e r f o r y o u !

All three can be associated with the fascist Babalonian Cross ! You know what Babylon was don't you ? Well it is going to fall again .As for Leonidas you do know he was a decendant of the Dannites don't you and you do know the relevant's don't you since you know the unwritten history of the world right ?

As for everything you cut and pasted , it just validates what I have said so thanks Your wiki link is a joke since it does not even mention the Babylonian origin as well as the Maltese Cross .It even states it is a hypothesis .

Lame post as you can see by all the replies , your poor ego and hero's .I myself won't waste anymore time on it .

NOTICE!

This is not a place to hurl insults, veiled or otherwise. Keep the posts civil and on-topic, or there will be consequences.

TheRedneck
ATS Forum Moderator

reply to post by TheRedneck


Thank you.

I am trying to get civil discussion.

Not false accusations and or false ascertations.

This is about history not misperceived implications.

The statue in question was not made until the 20th Century.

The person making it was stupid enough to include the Swastika.

It has no bearing upon the original Spartan's.

For the record, yes, I admire Leonidas, no, I think Hitler was a maniac, and I believe Bush was a moron.

I wrote the thread around three different personalities in leadership.

George H.W. Bush has more in common with Adolph Hitler than his son George W. Bush.

And none of those leaders have anything in common with Leonidas.

The leadership styles, beliefs, and structures are completely different as well.

The entire political/leadership caste of Sparta during Leonidas's time prior to the march to Thermopylae was bought out, corrupt, and in Xerxes and Persia's pocket, where George W. Bush was Dick Cheney's beard, a patsy covering Cheney's misdeeds, and Hitler was a monster which was not stopped by idiots throughout the then World Leadership.

Leonidas broke every rule with the intent to honor his duty to state and country.

To defend an united Greece and through his actions he knew it would later unite them.

Against a common enemy.

Both Persia and Xerxes and the corrupt politicians bought out within all of Greece.

Persian gold is the only reason Xerxes made it to Thermopylae to begin with.

Well I am disappointed..


This is a good thread and I was never notified shame on you...




Profiles in Leadership.... :Battles for history...

*****Takes off hat, and sits down ******

Pull up a chair, let me tell you ATS a small profile in leadership..

You see I was never the great sailor I had of this example to follow...

***pours a drink****

"Want one? You named the title of this Profiles..."

Well let me tell you a story on leadership that burned a few cheif's, first classes, and a LT... (they dont smoke at the smoke deck around there anymore from what I hear)

We were all sitting around discussing the issues of the day. Which, translating for you civies, Recovering from a night of recon into local night life... (Quite an interesting subject for the serious naturalistic observer... and research opportunities abound worldwide)

Well I didnt like one of the chiefs.. (Something about him being a monkeys uncle on his mothers side)

So in my infinite wisdom I decided, in a mood of good dis-humor to spread my non-cheer with the locals at the smoke deck..



I started with

"Hey chief I got a question for you?" He was a new school chief and I swore to god *self snip*

"Ok Walls. " He sat down and appeared concerned.. I smiled inside


"We where discussing something earlier and I want to know what you would do because I want to make sure I know how to handles this situation?"

He got excited... "Go ahead spit it out..."

"Well, what if you find out some things about a sailor...And well he could be kicked out for it..."

"What type of things, " Please note at this time you could see the drool?

"Well I know of this sailor who broke a lot of rules when he joined the NAVY?"

"What did he do?"

"Well he lied about his name when he joined..."

"fraudulent enlistment, Go on..."

"He had changed it because he was wanted for murder in another country.He just entered the country after that."

At this time We where joined by several chiefs... At this point The bad chief's Lt had joined us...

"So he changed his name, and illegally immigrated to the US..."

"Chief, yes he did. He also is very mean insisting on perfect discipline in his men... His punishments have been very extreme for the slightest mistakes... He threatened to have one poor soul ran through..."

"Is there anything else?"

"He is insubordinate and does not follow the orders he is given..."

At this point a chief, who was a friend smiled and walked away...

"Chief would you kick this man out of the US Navy??..."

"In a heartbeat... He is an illegal immigrant, wanted for murder, fraudulently enlisting,... Did miss anything? No, The second I found out about this I would have MA's take him straight to the captain for immediate processing..."

"So you would have kicked him out...?"

The LT answered, "In a heartbeat..."

"Yes...Who is this person..."


I answered, " John Paul Jones.."

The chief and the officer got mad and left...

Now what makes this worse is the fact that at those levels of levels of command, you are supposed to know your naval history...It was also the Navy's birthday...

A few where in good spirits and laughed but several said , "that was back then and not now."

"I was taught to always save the last dance for the lady that got you there..."

The reason I mention this is that it is part of an epidemic of todays leadership... They have forgotten what got us here... It was NOT the politically correct warriors of the past that won the wars that got us here, nor will they win tomorrows...

John Paul Jones

John Paul Jones (July 6, 1747(1747-07-06) – July 18, 1792(1792-07-18)) was the United States' first well-known naval fighter in the American Revolutionary War. Although he made enemies among America's political elites, his actions in British waters during the Revolution earned him an international reputation which persists to this day.

During his engagement with HMS Serapis, Jones uttered, according to the later recollection of his first lieutenant, the legendary reply to a taunt about surrender from the British captain: "I have not yet begun to fight!"

What was among some of his greater things...

He was a very strict disciplinarian... His crew was among the most well trained of their time... he implemented several drills in various areas...

The intense training in guns is part of the reason he is said to have won...

(that and being bad to the bone... He had ran a man through in another country ... he also had another man flogged for a very minor infraction)

He did go to work for the Czarina of russia... (Catherine I believe )

in the end he was buried in france...

Posthumous return to America

In 1905, Jones's remains were identified by US Ambassador to France Gen. Horace Porter, who had searched for six years to track down the body using faulty copies of Jones's burial record. Thanks to the kind donation of a French admirer, Pierrot Francois Simmoneau, who had donated over 460 francs, Jones's body was preserved in alcohol and interred in a lead coffin "in the event that should the United States decide to claim his remains, they might more easily be identified.". Porter knew what to look for in his search. With the aid of an old map of Paris, Porter's team, which included anthropologist Louis Capitan, identified the site of the former St. Louis Cemetery for Alien Protestants. Sounding probes were used to search for lead coffins and five coffins were ultimately exhumed. The third, unearthed on April 7, 1905, was later identified by a meticulous post-mortem examination by Doctors Capitan and Georges Papillault as being that of Jones. The autopsy confirmed the original listing of cause of death. The face was later compared to a bust by Jean-Antoine Houdon.

Jones's body was ceremonially removed from interment in a Parisian charnel house and brought to the United States aboard the USS Brooklyn, escorted by three other cruisers. On approaching the American coastline, seven U.S. Navy battleships joined the procession escorting Jones's body back to America. On April 24, 1906, Jones's coffin was installed in Bancroft Hall at the United States Naval Academy, Annapolis, Maryland, following a ceremony in Dahlgren Hall, presided over by President Theodore Roosevelt who gave a lengthy tributary speech.[17] On January 26, 1913, the Captain's remains were finally re-interred in a magnificent bronze and marble sarcophagus at the Naval Academy Chapel in Annapolis.[18]

Which some of you may not know was among his ideas.. for the navy to have an academy... (1845)

The never recovered his sword....



SKL I hope this is part of what you wanted in a post here on this thread....

reply to post by ripcontrol


What can I say?

I put a lot of work into it and invited some people.

Then I got busy job seeking and running various Boy Scout meetings.

I had intended to invite everyone I knew and found I did not have the time.

I need 25 Administrative Assistants for all that I am trying to accomplish.

I apologize.

Yes, what you posted was exactly the type of thing I was looking for, speaking of history.

Far too few people know any real history, whether due to a lack of education, propaganda foisted upon them through text books, or they think history is boring and or due to their lack of comprehension do not understand if we as a collective do not know history, we are doomed to repeat its many mistakes.

It is funny that the Chief you referenced did not know his history.

Braun only gets you so far if you have no brains whatsoever.

I respect intelligence more than physicality because it is what is betwixt our ears which can apply proper tactics, so that no muscle has to be wasted in excess movement, for a more strategic, decisive and victorious battle to be won, without lifting a finger.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Uhhm, alright how did Bush get on this list? He wasn't a leader, he was a simpleton in an office he had no business being in...

Truely Bush's reign of Error was amazing...



God hes funny...

reply to post by Akragon


I picked a broad range and spectrum of leadership.

1) Leonidas - Decisive, strategic, authority.

2) Hitler - A monster.

3) Bush - A rambling idiot with zero brains and more money than God who got the election because his daddy bought it, his brother assisted in rigging it, and the Secret Service acted as Bush Sr, Bush, and Jeb's lackeys.

There is more to this if people actually begin replying more.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas




may I for a moment side step part of this and explain a moment why I choose in another thread why I would bring these men in if I where ever POTUS....

The major strategy on selection of people would be based on something I observed in DAVE the movie... The guy brought in an accountant from the small town he was from to balance the budget...

With this in mind...

Fixing the country: An ATS Game wanna play

The date is January 21, 2013, and you where just inaugurated.... The supreme court made it official...

Lets get to work...

First order of business is you setting the tone...

where do you start....

Ever single person I chose would be in this position for a reason...

I had to find living leaders.... that came the closest to exemplifying close to the attributes of their various post...

VP- Jesse Ventura

Sec Def- Paul K. Van Riper

CNO- Richard Marcinko

Cheif of Staff of the US Army- Stanley McChrystal

CoS- Airforce- James G Burton

Commandant USMC- Mike Wiley-

Sec of DoHS- Lee Ermy


Each man mention has the testicle fortitude to be where they where put... I would reactivate and promote and I would not ask... Any of the idiots in the military attempt to stop it go to paris island.... (Promise to leave the NSA alone and you should be good)

now some of these next choices have some obvious influences but you have to do what you have to do..

sec of education- coach carter

sec of state- L A Tuohy

sec of treasury- Lee Iaccoca

Attorney General- Joe Arpaio

HUD- Jimmy Carter

FCC- Howard Stern

People I want in the Cabinet but cant place exactly where they would go...

John C. Maxwell

Robert Kiyosaki

Curtis Jackson

Chelsea Clinton (listen she has both the skills and abilities of both untested but I do not care... its called yeast)

Jeb Bush




Notice not a yes man among them... not a single one is a yes man....

These are the living examples of leadership and each faced different forms of fire and won....

I have a double reason Senator for adding this here... Should a gut instinct come to pass maybe just maybe this list would come in handy... Each man and woman listed here is perfect for the job with the right leader... Who will maximize their talent....



Who are your choices for living leaders...

reply to post by ripcontrol


There is a distinct difference between not having "yes men" and having competant staff.

Howard Stern over the F.C.C.?

Now I'm all for Freedom of Speech but he goes too far with stupidity and childish behavior.

At least for my liking.

R Lee Ermey as Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security?

I think he would refuse because he would see that as a pansy appointment.

Let the Gunny run the Marine Corps or be Secretary of Defense.

I guarantee the entire military will drop all taint of sissiness in every sense of the word.

Whether there are heterosexual or homosexual people in it is beside the point.

Jesse Ventura as Vice-President?

I do not see him as a viable candidate just like I see Alex Jones as a False-Flag Operator.

Those are your choices of course and I am only stating my opinion.

Arpaio as Attorney General?

I like his ideas on cost efficiency and I think prisoners should be busting rocks all day.

But living in tents?

Might as well add an oven and place a Welcome to Auschwitz sign over the gate.

Let the prisoners have air conditioning, libraries, and workshops to teach them a trade.

No televisions, no video games, no access to the Internet.

Make prisoners bust rocks, work in chain-gangs on road construction, and general labor.

Every prisoner needs to make their education better, meaning make sure every one of them is literate, make sure every one of them has a High School diploma or G.E.D. equivalent, and teach them a trade they are capable of using as a job which will not lead them back to prison, and as well assist them past the stigma of "ex-convict" with job placement.

That way they end up with a higher IQ than George W. Bush.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I also would be bringing you to DC......

(I probably wont make the full term alive)

My main choice over Ermey....

I cant think of anyone over who I could trust and is tough enough (emphasis on the last part tough enough) to bring them inline....

as for the FCC...

who would you suggest?

Not to derail the thread....

reply to post by ripcontrol


We have had this discussion many times.

In regards to being brought in and or given power.

If I did not earn it on my own then it is not mine and I will deny it.

Each and every time.

I see what you're suggesting as well as many others as a form of political nepotism.

No offense meant but it goes against my code of honor on many levels.

R. Lee Ermey is fine to get the Marine Corps back in line.

As for the F.C.C. I personally think it needs to be dismantled completely.

If someone is offended by a radio station change the God-damned channel.

If your children are listening and you do not like that you are a bad parent and unable to teach them.

It is not the fault of the radio station and or D.J. your child is rebellious.

Teach them the values you want them to have and let them make their choices.

Do not try to control everyone else by telling them what they can and cannot listen to.

That is the ignorance of people without any real brains trying to control others who do have brains.

Live and let live because life is too short for dictatorial nonsense from people who barely cope with life themselves.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


By no means is it a matter of neopotism... it smells like it but it is not...



This thread is over leadership and it is my answer... I am neither the best nor brightest but I will surround myself with those who are....

I believe you could cut it... It has nothing to do with what I want... It is what I would truly feel is best for the nation...


What I would love to see is things run smoothly in the first place.... I doubt most of the decisions I would make would be popular or loved... But I want competent or those that can be molded into it in the positions...

The job means making sure the whole country is back to runs smoothly and things are where they should be... People are not being chosen because they are friends or family... they are truly who I feel is best qualified for the job and thats it....

I will have to give up a lot and then some... in the end it would be worth it to know there is a future for this country and my children... I sure cant trust anyone else available to do it.... So yeah in the end it is a matter of me being a spoiled brat but... replacements said it best... winners want the ball...

I do not think I will be getting much sleep for eight years if I do it...

The economy is in the crapper...

foreign relations are in sewer line already...

the us military is out back using leaves for tp

the education system has already had an accident in its pants....

our personal liberties are being use as the tp

and the democrats and republicans are putting on the face of well it is because of X...


well X is failed leadership of both sides... If I could have them executed I would.... barring that we desperately need strong leaders not what we got sold ...


So yeah your needed and anyone I think can do a great job is hired.... It is a meritocracy you cant pull your weight your gone is how it will be done.... I am just picking the starting line-up


also in the end this quote applied I posted it earlier in another thread...

" Don't deserve it, he says. That's what they all say. "Guy don't deserve it. Guy don't deserve nothin'. Guy's garbage." All my life they been makin' me feel like garbage. All of 'em. Lovers. Partners. Enemies. Parents. But I hung in. I took it. I showed 'em! I have nothing... 'cept what I took. 'Cept what I got by my own pain. By my own guts! By my own strength! Remember, damn it -- when you gotta do somethin', you give it everything. No doubts. No softness. No nothin'! Yeah, Sinestro. You got the experience. You got the brains. You got the control. But I got one thing you ain't got. I got your ring! "

--Guy Gardner (New Earth)


I always loved this... yeah I got your ring...lol

I got the job might replace ring quite well

reply to post by ripcontrol


Without disrespect, my biggest problem, about your seeing me as a viable candidate goes deep.

1) I have to accomplish and gain Washington D.C. on my own merits, at my own choosing, and my timing.

2) I trust zero people in Washington D.C. and I have to watch my back.

3) With what you're proposing I would have to watch your back which takes me off task of watching my own.

4) I've never found an individual I would trust with my physical life let alone political life.

5) While I certainly work well, within a team, I often find those team mates being what slows me down.

Again, no disrespect meant, but Spartan's rarely choose alliances over self-reliance.

If you want me standing by your side it will cost you dearly and I have many requirements.

We can discuss those specifics via U2U because some of it is not information I willingly share with ATS.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Ill hold the conversation a little later...

That is if I decide to do this... I am looking at alternatives that are safer for me and my family.... different ways of assuming the power to get thingds done without falling into the vader trap..

take nothing I said as meaning disrespect...

Everything I have been seeing in DC has pissed me off... and this thread is about leadership... so I will steer it back towards the topic...

Who from the past do you feel would be the president the United states needs now....


Here is my vote.... I know it reeks of madden but it will do for now...

President (POTUS)

Colonel Boyd

Colonel John (Richard) Boyd (January 23, 1927 – March 9, 1997) was a United States Air Force fighter pilot and Pentagon consultant of the late 20th century, whose theories have been highly influential in the military, sports, and business.

Vice President

Robert Heinlein

Robert Anson Heinlein (July 7, 1907 – May 8, 1988) was an American science fiction writer. Often called "the dean of science fiction writers",[1] he was one of the most popular, influential, and controversial authors of the genre. He set a high standard for science and engineering plausibility and helped to raise the genre's standards of literary quality. He was one of the first writers to break into mainstream, general magazines such as The Saturday Evening Post, in the late 1940s, with unvarnished science fiction. He was among the first authors of bestselling, novel-length science fiction in the modern, mass-market era. For many years, Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clarke were known as the "Big Three" of science fiction.[2][3]

I think this team would rock but I know a few other combinations...

Yes I am side stepping for now.... it is the first night in three weeks I did not dream of being POTUS so I am glad for the relief....

Thank you again for your honesty....