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Shasta and Goliath: Bringing Down Corporate Rule

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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:04 PM
hopefully it passes, and hopefully the terror bullying tactics that some companies use to scare people into submission can be avoided, unfortunately, no matter the community, you will always find the greedy discontent folk that would sell out their mother for a fistful of pennies!

I`ve seen several places thrive when the people even if they dont all like each other, but understand, really understand that pulling towards the shore is the only sane solution to their (and our problems)

And as it has been pointed out in this thread before, many times laws are made to directly benefit those who do not need any more benefits.
I dream of course, but I wish that the drowsy numbsy comfort zones we have built in the shape a bubble would just burst, and we could really see that being responsible towards the planet and ourselves is much more than recycling plastic by colors, it sure helps, but then compared to what...

great post OP, makes one wonder...

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:07 PM

Originally posted by awake1234
"Mt. Shasta, a small northern California town of 3,500 residents nestled in the foothills of magnificent Mount Shasta, is taking on corporate power through an unusual process—democracy.

The citizens of Mt. Shasta have developed an extraordinary ordinance, set to be voted on in the next special or general election, that would prohibit corporations such as Nestle and Coca-Cola from extracting water from the local aquifer. But this is only the beginning. The ordinance would also ban energy-giant PG&E, and any other corporation, from regional cloud seeding, a process that disrupts weather patterns through the use of toxic chemicals such as silver iodide. More generally, it would refuse to recognize corporate personhood, explicitly place the rights of community and local government above the economic interests of multinational corporations, and recognize the rights of nature to exist, flourish, and evolve.

So basically this community is being selfish to the rest of the customers around the country who are supplied by these companies through forcing them out resulting in increasing rates for everyone else? Did I understand that correctly? That's not patriotism at all.. That's just anti-corporation. If it wasn't for large corporations we would all be burning wood to cook and keep warm at night while tending to our chickens and cows by day.. This is trult not what being a patriot is all about. What did coca-cola, PG&E, and Nestle do to this community besides bring a commodity to market for the use and enjoyment of the rest of the country?

We'll see how smart an idea this is when everyone else has increased prices. I don't agree with your regressive boogyman anti corporate agenda nor your ideals.

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 10:44 PM
Where is Weedwhacker? I figured he would jump right in on this thread, with his "chemtrails are nothing more than contrails" nonsense. If cloud seeding chemtrails are not real, then how is it they are trying to pass ordinances prohibiting imaginary phenomenon? Hmm......

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:19 PM
I agree with most, but the fact is PG&E is polluting our ground water with toxic poisons, I found this awhile back. No for some reason none of the links on the last page work, go figure. As well, local Mayor in Lassen County, Susanville, is fed up with this Cloud Seeding Poisoning that PG&E is doing. In as well, No Regulations, No Laws. First I found this law, I can't imagine this is a law, but seems to be: Please read:

The secretary of defense may conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological agents on civilian populations.
Public law of the United States, Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977.
Codified as 50 USC 1520, under Chapter 32 Chemical and Biological Warfare Program, Public Law 85-79 was repealed in 1997 by Public Law 105-85. In its place, 15 USC 1520a provides restrictions (such as informed consent). 50 USC 1512, however, allows open air testing of chemicals and biologicals and allows presidential override of notices and of public health considerations for national security reasons. [25] Case Orange authors are thus correct, it seems, in asserting that such programs are legal, if reprehensible, in the U.S.

As well, this report: Is Cloud Seeding Harmful?
Johnny Micou

When studying the efficacy and consequences of cloud seeding experiments, the experimenters tend to be biased in saying cloud seeding with silver iodide enhances precipitation without negative consequences. However, much of the literature substantiates that not only does cloud seeding fail to achieve the desired effect, it also yields harmful consequences. Some of these consequences include rain suppression, flooding, tornadoes, and silver iodide toxicity. (1,2,3)
The harm of rain suppression is obvious to everyone. For farmers and ranchers, this would mean no rain, no gain -- an economic loss. Losses would include poorer crop harvest, lack of range vegetation, and a loss of hunting lease income due to wildlife reduction. This is particularly true for ranches in western Potter County, an area PGCD has called “geographically handicapped.”(2) Most ranchers and farmers do not choose to take the gamble on their land and livelihood based on experimentation.(1,2)
The harmful effects of silver iodide are insidious.(3) Yet, according to the web site of the PGCD, the effects are so minimized that the following is stated: “The concentration of iodide in iodized salt used on food is far above the concentration found in rainwater from a seeded cloud.”(4) In addition, in early December of 2002, at the Amarillo meeting jointly conducted by the Panhandle Groundwater and the North Plains Groundwater Conservation Districts, one representative stated that silver iodide was good for the heart. In a private conversation, another explained that silver miners live longer. Iodized salt may seem benign; however, some states such as Colorado have outlawed the use of salting icy roads.(5) Among harmful effects, salt is toxic to the water and land.(5)
The Office of Environment, Health and Safety, UC Berkeley, rates silver iodide as a Class C, non-soluble, inorganic, hazardous chemical that pollutes water and soil.(8) It has been found to be highly toxic to fish, livestock and humans.(6,7,8,9) Numerous medical articles demonstrate that humans absorb silver iodide through the lungs, nose, skin, and GI tract.(7,8,9) Mild toxicity can cause GI irritation, renal and pulmonary lesions, and mild argyria (blue or black discoloration of the skin). Severe toxicity can result in hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, shock, enlarged heart, severe argyria, and death by respiratory depression.(8)
Moreover, a key manufacturer of silver iodide for weather modification, Deepwater Chemicals, warns of potential health effects of silver iodide in their Material Safety Data Sheet as follows:
Chronic Exposure/Target Organs: Chronic ingestion of iodides may produce “iodism”, which may be manifested by skin rash, running nose, headache and irritation of the mucous membranes. Weakness, anemia, loss of weight and general depression may also occur. Chronic inhalation or ingestion may cause argyria characterized by blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin and mucous membranes. Chronic skin contact may cause permanent discoloration of the skin.(10)
Under the guidelines of the Clean Water Act by the EPA, silver iodide is considered a hazardous substance, a priority pollutant, and as a toxic pollutant.(10) Some industries have learned this all too well.

Cloud seeding is all about PG&E making enough water to carry through our aquaduct located right down the highway from my home to generate enough electricty, to lite up this end of the state. Unfortunately as thier pockets get bigger and bigger, we get sicker and sicker. Kindva messed up don't you think, and then we pay them every month on top of it for our electricity, even more messed up.

Google if interested: Lassen County Times and the Mayors report on cloud seeding. Oct. 12 2010

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:23 PM
What a novel idea and we the people need growing grass roots local politics like this. America has to stop the two party bickering so they can together face the threat's at hand.
Short and sweet

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:29 PM
If the public is to allow the spreading of this toxic material on an experimental basis, monitoring should be required and published to protect the public health and private lands. The cloud seeding program is designed with the use of public money over private land without voter approval or landowners permission. If private land or public health is compromised, then the program should be held liable. In the past, a Texas rancher was able to stop cloud seeding over private land based on trespassing and nuisance law. However, there are greater issues at stake.
The question is not that is cloud seeding harmful, but how harmful. It is obvious that it is significantly harmful. So far, programs such as PG&E have not provided effective monitoring and sampling to demonstrate that the silver concentrations in the water and soil caused by cloud seeding are at “safe levels.” To test for silver in the
water and soil, the methods are sophisticated and require the latest in technology, along with standards set by such agencies as the EPA.(7) Without such testing, such programs must be stopped immediately. There is too much at risk for their experimentation.

posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:39 PM
reply to post by OptimistPrime

are you unaware of the fact that ATS strongly discourages posting about other posters?!

i read a thread recently pleading for re-enforcement of the TandC. every once in a while around here the admins have to get involved....precisely because of what you just posted.

dont suppose you could tone it down a bit?


posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 01:39 PM

thank you all friends for sharing your ideas here,

and for passing this to family and friend

we see here the prime motivator to be right relation of individual, collective and planet

it is our choice, to make the choice for a free future


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