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Originally posted by muzzleflash
You are not dignifying this debate very much sir/ma'am.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Let's see, what can I use as proof of "people unintentionally saying "troll" due to habit", may I present as evidence every video chat page on YouTube for your review?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It it crawling with evidence that it is a social norm to use this derogatory terminology.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Troll is just another name to call people you don't like.
No different than a cuss word...
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It is a clear cut case of unintentional ad hominem.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Nope. You are making another Straw man here.
You need to judge each claim individually and investigate it yourself, that's common sense.
If you are aware of what a logical fallacy is, and why it's silly to employ them in your thinking, than you should be able to easily understand the point I am trying to make.
A conspiracy about the # of cornflakes is irrational, and easily debated with simple arguments of logic. You have no excuse to stoop to the low gutter of ad hominem attacks to win these things. It is a hollow and shallow triumph, meaningless...a Pyrrhic Victory.
You can easily show the cornflake mathematician the error of his obsessive compulsive ways, and we can direct him to some places to get the help he needs. Calling him or her names will only make the situation worse, and is not good for anyone.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by badw0lf
Originally posted by muzzleflash
"You are Trolling" = Ad Hominem logical fallacy.
"There isn't a Conspiracy in Everything" = Straw Man logical fallacy.
Now you know. Don't use those anymore.
Ahha. So the obvious conclusion to ATS is to just say "Oh yeah, you're right" and spend the rest of your life wondering just why there was only 504 cornflakes in that packet instead of 505.
Gotya.
I think I'll stick to things that actually matter, and continue to be of the opinion that people who think there is a coRNspiracy in everything, really need to have a break.
So you post an Ad Hominem attack attempting to say I have obsessive compulsive disorder?
Did you not even read the links? Let me guess...
Originally posted by TheBigO
Be careful the thread might get 404'd. The true trolls are the *alert the mod* crowd if they disagree, who have the mentality that anything they dislike needs to be shut up, shut down, silenced, and taboo. Seems like tyranny to me.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Quite simply put, there are many types and levels of trolling. A troll typically posts inflammatory, off-topic, nonsensical, or baiting statements, not necessarily ad-hom attacks.
ATS even has a warning flag entitled Political Trollling for that particular type. But as someone said, trolling has been covered ad naus n ATS...not that reminders aren't good every once in a while.
I never said trolls post ad hominem attacks.
I said calling someone a troll is ad hominem.
You need a compelling argument to prove someone is something.
Just calling them that doesn't make it so.
I can call anyone anything! Does that mean I win? NO. It means I'd LOSE for sure!
If there isn't a conspiracy in everything, that means there are no conspiracies at all.
You have a right to think incorrectly.
Originally posted by Raelsatu
I don't see how the "everything is not a conspiracy" is invalid. If you say everything has a conspiracy within it well...what if the coffee mug I'm drinking from right now is the color blue because the government is trying to brainwash me with certain colors that encourage me to drink more and more coffee, which....If i made a thread like that, you know the type of responses I'd get and deserve. And calling people a troll is something else I don't mind, if it's used the right circumstance. For example a few months ago there was a stream of people posting prediction/prophetic threads about the things to pass...which DIDN'T come to pass. Those people are in my mind, trolls. Idiots who come onto a conspiracy forum and rile others up with a bunch of bull#.
Originally posted by Whateva69
It’s not the blue cup, It’s what you put in it.
Originally posted by m0r1arty
Originally posted by Whateva69
It’s not the blue cup, It’s what you put in it.
Whilst I'm sure we could all go off on an abstract about cognitive dissonance and trade agreements between the East and the West which made the cup cheaper to be sold in a market across the other side of the world, those who had to be re-skilled to work in the disease-ridden fields to collect the clay, the effects on local traditions and heritage the manufacturing process creates, the resulting new economy of sugary drinks, alcohol and tobacco which can now be afforded by said workers, the costs to both the shareholders and the environment for shipping said mug, the marketing team who decided on the limited colour scheme (that particular hue of blue being the chosen mug of potentially a few colours) and the best capacity for containing liquid and their motivations for selling this mug to the best market, where is gets sold and to what demographic prior to even thinking about what goes into it - there are not conspiracies everywhere.
When I see a rock, I could think about the nature of existence, how we do not know how it came to be, our best minds think it came from nothing and that is just mind boggling, there are many ideas which surround the concept of that rock, and me, existing. The rock however is not part of a conspiracy.It could be but like all the best conspiracies - there is no proof that it is.
In fact the best conspiracies are the ones you'll never know of
- like the potential for existence being a conspiracy of sorts.The point being the humble human mind cannot conceive beyond it's own realm of existence and as such battles with itself. Nature doesn't care if you live or die, only other humans do.
Conspiracy is human by default, ergo not everything is a conspiracy unless you are a mentally unsound human.
My advise to you if you are pondering the edges of reason, find a job you enjoy, find a life partner with similar interests and relax and get fulfilment from life. Stressing is only going to bring yo umore stress and you will never get the answers to the really important things in life. Try to make your patch a little better and care for others as much as you can.
Telling others how it works as a fact is merely arrogant and selfish as you have no more of a clue to what it is all about than an amoeba.
Originally posted by Whateva69
wow ... if you read what you said really fast, you sound just like that professor in back to the future..
wow you take things literally..
Where on earth did I tell anyone how it works.
Wow you sound like a mean person, You should try to come across a little bit nicer.