The Two Most Powerful Disinfo Tactics Used on ATS

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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reply to post by muzzleflash
 


You kind of proved your point, looking at the direction the thread derailed. Focusing on each words instead of the whole picture. Any facts can be debated indlessly if you never experienced them first hand. And most people I know aren't conjectures-lovers. See how it can get ?

Trying to show an example of the tactics employed didn't help you because you can't totally be sure about these. They were looking too simple for the requirements of an intelligence agency either. Probabilities are probably better than certainties to start a discussion, making a more balanced debate. It also has the advantage of lessening the effects of personnal attacks.

Otherwise, S & F for the thoughts.

If it is possible, therefore it is not impossible. It's probable. - Someone probably said that before me, but I don't know who.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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If you look at the number of topics being discussed here and then think about the number of people who believe in some/all of them, you have to question some of it. Anyone who disagrees with a particular subject will eventually be labeled with the famous tags. Disinformation specialist! Shill! Counterintellpro! a few others I am not sure I can repeat. Even when you bring evidence for your side of the argument, you will get the labels. Almost like this site is only for one way debate. Not everyone is like that of course, but all you need is a few of them every thread, and you get post after post of back slapping and agreement that yes in fact the Moon is made of cheese and there is a man inside it. (last time I made a joke about reptilians and hollow earth and upset a few folks, so I won't go there again) If people could use debate tactics instead of paranoid tactics, everyone involved would enjoy the discussion and possibly learn something. This is supposed to be fun.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Greetings Nano-ATS-Narcissist,(ditto)

Do we really think the .gov's that sit in there little .combat cubes... C.A.R.E about this virtual comic strip entertainment mind in a vat blog site...

The old mantra applies so there is never a threat "THOSE WHO KNOW DON'T SPEAK(or post on a traceable blog)... THOSE WHO SPEAK DON'T KNOW

Mr X-knows nothing
edit on 17-1-2011 by CONSPIRACYWARRIOR because: Forgot the ... I'm anal like that




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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The enemy isn't confined to some remote location, it is literally amongst us. Most of the people setting out to muddy the waters on this site will be 'them'.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Pardon my ignorance... but should I deny ignorance as to be in denial I'm ignorant
... who is "them"?...

Is that the Nephilim?

Mr X-?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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In this post you said:


If there isn't a conspiracy in everything, that means there are no conspiracies at all.
The truth is, there is a conspiracy hidden somewhere in the middle of everything


In this post you said:


Reality is a nice balance, a mix. Half the time conspiracies turn out true, half the time it turns out false.


If I understand you correctly then half of the conspiracies were not conspiracies, ergo there isn't a conspiracy in everything.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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hey muzzle flash i see you posting on other threads but not replying to this one ?

shall i cry disinfo
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nah.....not gonna pull a muzzle flash ....

im sure your busy doing something or another .



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
This thread is clearly a RED HERRING.



Haha, I kid. Seriously, the troll comment is sometimes true, but it can also be used as a disinfo weapon, agreed.


I do think EVERYTHING is a conpsiracy, by nature.


so does that mean my dog taking a crap is a conpsiracy?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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If I spend my time trying to convince that the disinfo were actually true, would I then be perpetuating the actions of a troller? If I agree to disagree with a suspected troll, do I then subscribe to the original conspiracy of a given topic, or am I wasting time believing that I shouldn't believe in such things?


There is a conspiracy to EVERYTHING! I know because I spend my time researching just what is we know we're not supposed to know, therefore the conspiracy is simply that we're buying into conspiracies that THEY want us to believe!




posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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One common one is suggesting conspiracy cannot exist. Its like people are deathly afraid of thinking TPTB are the bad guys. Scary thought. The fox knows the chickens are confused.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Wow, I am amazed at the two tactics you mentioned, because they can be clearly seen here

www.abovetopsecret.com...


A "certain poster" (not hard to find out who it is) calls me a troll and says over and over again that not everything is a conspiracy

He says:

"I am leaning toward troll on this one guys.. What do you think? "

"There are ZERO life points for finding a conspiracy in everything!!! "

I'll add a few more tactics.

#3 refusing to answer questions, and then when this is pointed out they call you a liar

This allows them to slip through tough questions while also making you seem like the culprit

#4 Assuming you are a teenager or in your early teens

This gives the impression that you are irrational or too young to understand that the state is god.

What was funny is that I knew what he was doing, but I kept responding to him in order to refresh my thread, so that more normal people would see my post. I managed about 16 pages out of it.

He also points to how few flags I have as a way of using the ATS democracy to discredit the thread, which I am not moved by since the front page threads are sometimes not worth seeing and so the number of flags is not always an indicator of a good thread.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Its not that I agree or disagree its that I've notice on a few topics where there seems to be a trend in fabricating the suggestion that a few rogue agents are trying out methods to see how fast they can incite a rebellion. That its frightful to me. Cause it reminds me of the tactics employed back in the college during 1968-1969.

But hey if the US Government is truly insolvent then they need a reason to use all those FEMA Camps ... first starve out the citizens, kill off all the agriculture and round em up after taking there weapons away.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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good post muzzy...

seems alot of posters with certain agendas are indeed shooting themselves in their own foot, one comes to rational and logical conclusions on their own via observations of the world around them. These supposed disinfo agents might just be defeating countering their own purpose which can be very educational.

one of my favorite games to play with the real trolls is dodge ball...

and hot potato secondly



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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One conclusion I have arrived at is that there are some people who want to believe in almost anything "different" because of their mindset. There are others that strongly suspect there are large numbers of conspiracies, and if something sounds at least reasonable, they will go with that. There are some that are curious about the "real" conspiracies, and wait around for the more logical and coherent posts. There are some people here who are very knowledgeable, educated, highly-trained, who wade through all of the "junk" because occassionally there are "nuggets" that are discussed. There are others who specifically wait for opportunities to "put down" others, and prefer to do so in demeaning methods. Then there are the true disinformation people, probably paid by the Government, and other entities, who intentionally derail anything that threatens to reveal any of the important information that is presented, if they feel it is a "theat" to actual conspiracies.

When any post is made, you must realize the broad spectrum of people who will read it, and respond according to their own "agenda." The responses, then, must be seen in this light.

I can honestly say that if Albert Einstein himself came on this site, and posted an anonymous, clear explanation of a known scientific fact, there would be those here who would ridicule him.

With an open forum as this is, expect that ever post will have someone who supports it, someone who opposes it, and most who will ignore it unless it fits into their "realm" of interest.

Life is life.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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My contribution to this threat are the links:

en.wikipedia.org...
www.nizkor.org...

I see these pages as MUST READ material for anyone at ATS.

edit on 26/1/11 by blackcube because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Yeah, but who is to say that providing disinformation is not a tactical strategy in a debate? I mean...this is a debate, so anything goes, right? Let's face it...most people only care about popular opinion, so they can jump on the bandwagon and sit back and follow. Just like with real warfare, truth is yet another casualty in verbal warfare.
edit on 26-1-2011 by SphinxMontreal because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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My advice is speak on what you know to be true. Never respond to those who tear you down. The people who are quick to condemn you are not ready for your message. Those with open minds and know the truth will read what you have to say. Some will respond, some won't. Don't post for recognition. Post the Truth.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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WELL SAID OP!!!!! THANK YOU!
"Logic dictates that the majority of the posts attempting to unfairly defeat your well thought out argument, especially if you supplied highly credible documentation"

This here ma be going on right now in my thread, POST on a UFO I photographed in NOV
Check it out and once again GOOD POST, lets get some good conversations going!!!!!!!



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are wrong.

That is to say: there are lots of obvious trolling and silly threads on ATS. more so than i expected to see in my short time here.

But if you are going to welcome people posting about non-mainstream you have to expect this. Trolls and silliness appear on a lot of sites. ATS is like industrial-strength flypaper.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Link #1 - why?
Link #2 - House cats.

You have a good point there. And as long as you wear a hat, no one will notice.





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