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The Day Before Roswell

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 04:07 AM
July 4 1947 - Portland, Oregon - 1:05 P.M. PST

Los Angeles Herald-Express, (INS, Portland) California 7/5

While others were reporting seeing discs all over the city, Frank Cooley, formerly a Marine Corps observer, and employed by radio station KOIN in Portland, confirmed the numerous reports of disc-shaped objects.

Cooley reported seeing twelve of the objects flying overhead at an estimated altitude of 20,000 feet. He flatly declared they were "operated and maneuverable devices," and believed that they were larger than generally supposed,

"They plainly exercised maneuvers in the sky," Cooley said. "At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc. It was hard to follow their behavior exactly because of the great height, their gleaming surface and their nature." He said that they could only be seen clearly when "tilted to catch the sun's rays."

He was convinced, he added, that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control." He quickly dismissed suggestions that they might be ordinary, light­weight objects "tossed around by air currents."

At approximately the same time that Cooley made his observation, a number of similar objects were seen from the windows of the International News Service office in the Journal Building. INS employees said that "at first they appeared to be high-flying birds, as their motion undulated, (as if) some kind of wings propelled them," INS reported.

"They banked sharply and without apparent system of direction. Two objects were so high that reports of their disc-like appearance could not be verified, but they seemed to move with high speed.

They were last seen heading south after circling sharply over the west-side area."

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:46 AM

Originally posted by A51Watcher
reply to post by Dalbeck

Hi Dalbeck, thanks for posting that great OP on your trip. I always find first- hand research like yours the best source for information, yes?

I also agree with your assessment of the German's capability during WWII, and also the motives for the aliens curiosity.

'Perhaps in six or nine months it may be possible to speak with more precision on the matter'.

You're welcome A51Watcher
Yes, I also do think first- hand researches are the best source, you can get your own idea of things

Of course the rocket science has been some years ahead of other countries but don't believe in UFO technology used by the Germans.

What is your quoted sentence about by the way?
(is it a quote of Wernher v. Braun or did you quote yourself?

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 08:21 AM

Originally posted by A51Watcher
In the period between Randle and Schmitt's first and second book, I asked Kevin how many witnesses we had so far. The answer was: 500+ first and second hand witnesses to either craft, wreckage or bodies[at Roswell, 1947].

According to Schmitt and Carey, they now have 600+ witnesses. They also have a deathbed affadavit from a key witness since you asked Randle. See Witness to Roswell


DATE: December 26, 2002

WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx

NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan

(1) My name is Walter G. Haut

(2) I was born on June 2, 1922

(3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203

(4) I am retired.

(5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

(6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch Northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."

(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, port holes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

(15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

(16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

(19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.

(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Walter G. Haut

December 26, 2002

Signature witnessed by:

Chris Xxxxxxx"

Affadavit of Walter G. Haut

Sorry to post a big one but...

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 11:41 AM
reply to post by Pimander

Hi Pimander, thanks for posting that. I tend to believe -The Men Who Were Actually There- such as Walter Haut, much more than armchair quarterbacks whose "research" consists of google.

But actually I did post his testimony here several pages back, but it sort of got lost in the shuffle during a "Nazi UFO" debate raging at the time here about whether these Roswell flying saucers were ET in origin or not. In fact I did not even finish posting the -The Men Who Were Actually There- testimony series I was working on at the time.

I decided to wait until after posting all the various newsclips during this period that have come to light. These sightings provide the backdrop and context for the events that were about to occur at Roswell. As several members have commented, the weather balloon excuse now looks laughable in light of all these sightings.

While still alive, Walter publicly stated several times "If you were a soldier of my vintage, you learned to do as you were told, and keep your mouth shut. (Loose lips sink ships, etc.) Especially (later on) when your retirement pension is on the line."

Thus pre- answering why he did not reveal his testimony while alive.

He and Colonel Blanchard were actually old friends dating back to when they were both pilots during WWII and flew their missions out of Roswell Army Air Field for the 509th squadron , and is the reason Colonel Blanchard gave him a tour of the craft, wreckage and bodies.

Thanks again for posting that important item, and anything else I might miss as we go along.


posted on May, 2 2011 @ 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Dalbeck

What is your quoted sentence about by the way?
(is it a quote of Wernher v. Braun or did you quote yourself?

Yes it is a quote from Wernher during an interview with 'News Europa' Jan 1959:

von Braun commented, "We find ourselves faced by powers, which are far stronger than we had hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us.

(When asked about the deflection of a U.S. satellite)...
"More I cannot say at present. We are now engaged in entering into closer contact with those powers, and in six or nine months it may be possible to speak with some precision on the matter."

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 04:50 PM
By now we have obviously reached the date of the amazing -


headline shown in the OP.

At this point we now get a rare glimpse as to what the military was up to behind the scenes.

The following declassified US Army-Air Force documents give some pretty important indications:

We can see it was prepared by:
The Commanding General (4rth AF) at Hamilton Field, (California)

and sent to:
The Commanding General, Army Air Forces, (Washington, D.C.)

"in compliance with letter from: Headquarters Air Defense Command"
(Mitchel Field, New York).

(Has anyone seen this mysterious 'letter' ?)

And what was attached to this report, as indicated, are actual -hand typed verbatim copies- (not copies of the clippings or the clippings themselves) of the flying disc newspaper reports from my home town (in Oregon),


Also attached are in- depth, follow- up interviews conducted privately by unknown personnel, with each of the officers and the harbor- master listed in the articles.

All of which indicates what was to be done (discreetly), as laid out in the "letter" referenced above,
as ordered by - Headquarters Air Defense Command (New York).

Here now are the declassified AAF documents:


Now how did THAT get in there? I thought I said declassified documents!

Ahh... that's better!

This of course now begs the question:

How many bases and facilities received this mysterious 'letter'...
and then in turn how many various reports were typed and sent to Washington, D.C. as the above case was.

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:42 PM

posted on May, 3 2011 @ 03:56 AM
reply to post by A51Watcher

Thanks for clearing it up
And much thanks for putting so much effort in collecting and sharing the douments, it's awesome!

posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:20 AM
Since this thread is still quite active, I think it should be noted that there is some "second-hand" evidence (from the Laura Knight sessions) that the "Roswell incident" itself actually consisted of 3 separate crashes:

4 June, 1 July and 4 July. Only the third one is normally cited.

All these crashes had survivors, and of course they each came down in different locations, but all in the same general area. It has been hypothesized that one reason the data on Roswell is so confusing and apparently contradictory is because we have testimony about 3 different crashes being erroneously combined to describe one event.

I won't go into the gory details here, but Laura maintains a site where the data is available.

posted on May, 5 2011 @ 12:24 AM
(ed note: Idaho Statesman aviation editor, Dave Johnson was a former AAF B-29 pilot.)

July 6 1947 - Boise, Idaho


Idaho Newsman-Pilot Given 'Dream Assignment'

'Get Picture of Saucers Or Bring One Back Alive'-

By DAVE JOHNSON (Idaho Statesman Aviation Editor)
(AP) -- Flew instruments this afternoon for a couple of hours with the Idaho national guard. A lieutenant colonel sat up in front and watched for discs while I struggled with the gauges and the radio beam.

We got back into Gowen field's pattern, and the control tower called to report some people in Ontario, Ore., had told the CAA they saw some saucers wheeling through the sky.

Now, there's one thing about these saucers. I've never seen one, so on the way home I dropped into the Statesman office with an idea. That was to take the Early-Bird No. 3, our airplane, and be up tonight and prowl around the airways, just looking.

Gets Expense Dough

I broached that to the city editor and blew the foam off of it, and a you-know-what look spread over his face, just like somebody had tossed a brick into a mud puddle.

He talked for a few minutes and I listened. The upshot of it was that I walked out of the office with expense dough in my pocket and a date with Kenneth Arnold, the Boise man who two weeks ago saw the discs come roaring around Mt Rainier in Washington.

I have one of those things called a general assignment. I'm going disc hunting with Arnold in the Statesman plane.

Started In Idaho

The city editor had said: "Dave, I was just about to give you a call and discuss this damn saucer business with you. The thing started here in Boise with Arnold and it is getting out of hand. The wire services are moving more copy on it than any single story in years except the war, and no ' one knows any more about it now than when they were doubting this fellow Arnold who first reported seeing whatever it is that is being looked at, real or imaginary."

"As I said before, this business started in Boise and it is up to us if we can do it to help get it brought down to earth. I hope you can lasso one of the damn things and bring it in for display, but on the other hand, it might be a good idea to be ready to duck if you see something skipping along."

Dream Assignment

I might interject here that the boss doesn't fly. "Crank up your airplane," he said, "and go up around the Hanford atom plant area in Washington and stay there until you either find something or give it up. See if this fellow Arnold wants to go along (he jumped at the chance) and take the best camera equipment you can find and stay as long as you want to."

Such an assignment- stay as long as you want to- is not to be accepted lightly. "Fly around that area," said the city editor, "because my hunch is that if these things can come from any place they are coming from some project like Hanford. The army has denied this possibility but the army has been making denials a major business for years.

In one case an Army man said there's nothing to get excited about, "if there were anything to the saucers the army would have notified us." Also... Good Luck! If you see anything that answers the description—or the hundreds of descriptions-- grab a picture and high-tail for Boise." "Oh yes," he added. "Good luck to you."

They take the insurance out of my check. I phoned Arnold. We are taking off bright and early in the morning. Arnold has a new movie camera with a telephoto lens and we're fortified for pictures.

From somewhere up in eastern Washington tomorrow night you'll hear from us, providing, of course, we don't run into something that proves these reports to be the McCoy and it runs over us.

The city desk says he'll stand behind us.

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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 12:27 AM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on May, 5 2011 @ 02:13 AM
reply to post by l_e_cox

Hi l_e_cox,

Thanks for bringing pieces of the puzzle to the table!

Members should note that much of the information I have been posting since the OP,
-is a direct result of ATS members cooperating and sharing here-.

There's a mind bending concept eh?


posted on May, 6 2011 @ 11:00 AM
July 9 1947 - Boise, Idaho - 12:15 P.M. MST

BOISE DAILY STATESMAN (Idaho) 7/10, 7/11
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (AP, Boise,7/9, 7/10) (Washington) 7/10, 7/11
SEATTLE TIMES (AP, Boise) (Washington) 7/10
AP in numerous papers for 7/10

On his third day of aerial search for flying objects, on assignment for his newspaper, the Idaho Daily Statesman, pilot-newsman Dave Johnson's search paid off.

While circling Gowan Field at 14,000 feet, preparing to land after having spent the morning searching in vain, he saw a dark object against a massive cloudbank to the east of Boise.

"I turned the airplane broadside to it and pulled back the Plexiglas canopy so there would be no distortion. The object was still there. It was rising sharply and jerkily toward the top of the towering bank of alto-cumulus and alto-stratus clouds.

At that moment it was so round in shape I thought it was a balloon. The object was turning so that it presented its edge to me. It then appeared as a straight black line. Then, with its edge still toward me, it shot straight up, rolled over (at) the top of this maneuver, and I lost sight of it."

Johnson said that at one point during his observation, which lasted 45 seconds, he saw "the sun flash from it."

Later in the afternoon Johnson discovered that at about 2:00 p.m. ground observers at Gowan Field had seen an object similar to the one he reported. Observers included National Guard pilots Warren Noe, Bob Ayers, and Ferm Sabala, the latter a Guard photographer.

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:13 PM
July 10 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey - Early A.M. EST


Six daylight discs observed from aircraft

John H. Janssen, editor of the Daily Record reported that on the preceding morning he "caught a glint in the sky and saw a formation of six luminous spherical craft, with hazy rings around them flying in a trail at about 10,000 feet in the sky" above him.

He grabbed his camera and "quickly fitted a filter to his camera lens" -

"I had only time for this one picture. While I was turning the film for the next exposure the lead disc suddenly shot upward and toward New York City in a dazzling burst of speed. The other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye."

"In my brief glimpse of the discs I did notice that the lead one was of a dull metallic color and the others appeared to be of a silvery hue."

"From where I stood on the top of my car watching the strange craft," he said, "I guessed them to be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet in diameter. The circumference was the thinnest part of the ships and widened toward the middle where possibly they could be ten to twenty feet high."

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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:45 PM
July 23 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey


John H. Janssen stated "While my eyes played over the horizon, I became aware of a shaft of light that seemed like that of a photographer's flash bulb. It came from aloft, very high up. It was above that position over my plane's nose that flier's call 11 O'clock.

At first I thought it was merely the reflected sun bouncing off the sides of an exceedingly high flying aircraft. I gave it no more thought. But then the engine of my own plane began to perform peculiarly. It coughed and sputtered spasmodically.

So I pulled on the carburetor heat and gave it full throttle hoping to thaw any ice that might be accumulating in the carburetor. The engine emitted one final wheezing cough and then quit. Now, the nose of my plane, instead of dropping to a normal glide, remained... rigid... fixed on the horizon, in its normal level flight attitude.

Abruptly, I became aware that my plane was now defying the basic law of gravity. I became frightened and close to panic at so weird a predicament. I saw that the airspeed indicator was at zero! There was now an odd prickling, electric-like sensation coursing through my body.

I had an eerie feeling that I was being watched and examined by something that minutely studied my features, my clothing, and my airplane... I flicked a cold bead of perspiration from my eye. Then I saw it! Above and slightly beyond my left wing tip was a strange wraith-like craft, one of the flying objects!

Its flanged and protecting rim was dotted on either side with steamer-like portholes. It seemed to radiate a dull metallic hue that conveyed an impression of natural strength, and a super-intelligence not of this planet. It was motionless.

Perhaps a quarter of a mile away... beyond, and slightly higher, I could see another object, seemingly fixed in the sky. I assumed that the second strange ship was but waiting for the one nearest me to complete its examination.

Then I had the most unaccountable urge to reach up and snap on the magneto switch. I had turned it off when the engine quit. I switched both magnetos to the on position. Slowly the propeller began to turn... then the engine burst into a steady rhythmic roar. The plane nosed up into a stall, dropped off, picked up airspeed and steadied under control," recalled Mr. Janssen.

"I really believe these craft to be operated by an intelligence far beyond that developed by we earth-bound mortals and am inclined to agree with the theory that they are space craft from another planet...
In all probability these are reconnaissance craft and as they have been seen all over the world and not only in this country, are probably making a thorough study of us and our terrain and atmosphere before making any overtures."

He went on to theorize on possible magnetic and anti­gravity methods of propulsion to explain the acceleration of the objects.

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posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:09 AM
It seems likely that the above report was torpedoed from being reported due to it's obvious inflammatory nature, done in the same manner as the Roswell reports that managed to reach the local media early on:



(1) My name is George "Jud" Roberts

(2) My address is:

(3) I am (X) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________

(4) In July 1947, I was a minority stockholder and manager of KGFL Radio in Roswell, New Mexico. We did an interview with W.W. "Mac" Brazel, the rancher who found some debris on his property. He hid him out at the home of the station owner, W.E. Whitmore, Sr., and recorded the interview on a wire recorder.

(5) The next morning, I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez. This person said, "We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it's very possible that your station's license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not do it." The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story.

(Whitmore's home was soon searched by the military and the wire recording confiscated.)


The following day we have a hand- written document received by the FBI addressed to Mr. J. Edgar Hoover (obviously not from any underlings, who always first used the title 'Director' in any dispatch sent to his attention) from someone who seems to feel at ease advising 'Mr. Hoover' as to what is "wisest" for him to do:

It is inconceivable that in either case J. Edgar Hoover or a Senator would have undertaken such blatant actions on a whim of their own, without getting approval (or more likely orders) from their superior.

In fact chief of staff at 8th Army-Air Force Headquarters at Fort Worth, Texas - Brigadier General Thomas DuBose, (shown here on the right, posing solemnly along commanding Brigadier General Roger Ramey inspecting the remains of the weather balloon he had just had his staff demolish for the big picture opportunity)

after many years of silence stated: "[It] was a cover story. The whole balloon part of it. That was the part of the story we were told to give to the public and news and that was it."

There can be NO doubt that the orders (and authority) to cover-up the saucer story (by any means deemed necessary as illustrated by the actions above),

came from our Chief Executive:

who by then was fully aware of the true nature of the event at Roswell, and had then in turn authorized and directed which proposed actions were to be taken.

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posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:13 AM
The only reason a lot of uninformed people think that Roswell was the first "incident" is due to the fact of how much pub that case had.

UFOs have been seen in our skies for centuries.

posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:33 AM
Keep up the great work is appreciated!
And thanks for all the reading I still have to do...

posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Vrill
The only reason a lot of uninformed people think that Roswell was the first "incident" is due to the fact of how much pub that case had.

UFOs have been seen in our skies for centuries.

Indeed they have.

The reason that Roswell was the first "incident" to get that much "pub", is because it is the first incident in which we managed to get our hands on one.

posted on May, 7 2011 @ 05:40 PM
Hi a51watcher,

I spent a very enjoyable afternoon reading this thread and following the links. I am based in the UK and have been inspired to check out my local rag from 1947, next week I hope!

In the meantime I wanted to chip in and say a big thank you for your intial efforts on this thread and the ongoing info you have been posting, I have to confess I am only up to 'page 17' so do not know if you have completed your plotting project yet, however I shall consume the rest tomorrow to catch up.

thanks once again.


the satan/religious nonsense that diverted the topic for a few pages was hard bloody work

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