It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Nothing Rodin says explains anything in the real world, as far as I can tell. He's living in some kind of delusional fantasy world, disconnected from reality, and he's not the only one. Leedskalnin did too, apparently.
Originally posted by 23432
Vortexes doesn't extend our understanding of how energy might behave on a quantum level ?
Let's look at one of those new discoveries:
Originally posted by 23432
It is ok to state the obvious .
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined .
In fact it is a changing model which depends of new ideas and new discoveries .
This is really amazing stuff that should blow your mind.
Researchers have now managed to image the electron orbitals and show for the first time that, in a sense, atoms really look like those textbook images.
This is just amazing that we can even make these images, and that they happen to look just like the models we made before we saw the images.
Originally posted by VitalOverdose
reply to post by Nathwa
Well it proves that the maths we have been using to simulate atoms and the theories we have come up with about the way they work are correct. It means we are on the right track to understanding how the universe works.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/48da3d162815.jpg[/atsimg]
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/68cbe40a92ea.gif[/atsimg]
We are indeed clever little monkeys
Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by 23432
In my opinion, God doesn't have a religion; therefore, the taboo in science against religion does not apply.
Furthermore, I think God and universal consciousness/energy that permeate the entire universe (perhaps multiverse) are the same thing. It is within the purview of science. (Note the word "it": God does not have gender.)
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
It is very fun not only to study the physics of the torsion system but also the metaphysics. Has anyone here pondered about the relationship of evolution & INvolution?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Nothing Rodin says explains anything in the real world, as far as I can tell. He's living in some kind of delusional fantasy world, disconnected from reality, and he's not the only one. Leedskalnin did too, apparently.
Originally posted by 23432
Vortexes doesn't extend our understanding of how energy might behave on a quantum level ?
I am trying to think of a water based vortex where one can get to record the Harmonical Sound waves and perhaps find the patterns of 9's .
What would it prove ?
Natural occurence of a sequence of numbers .
Does it mean anything ?
Probably .
Let's look at one of those new discoveries:
Originally posted by 23432
It is ok to state the obvious .
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined .
In fact it is a changing model which depends of new ideas and new discoveries .
New Microscope Reveals the Shape of Atoms
This is really amazing stuff that should blow your mind.
Researchers have now managed to image the electron orbitals and show for the first time that, in a sense, atoms really look like those textbook images.
Look at our atomic models in the top graphic. Then look at the images this new microscope produced. Do the images confirm our models in any way?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is just amazing that we can even make these images, and that they happen to look just like the models we made before we saw the images.
Originally posted by VitalOverdose
reply to post by Nathwa
Well it proves that the maths we have been using to simulate atoms and the theories we have come up with about the way they work are correct. It means we are on the right track to understanding how the universe works.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/48da3d162815.jpg[/atsimg]
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/68cbe40a92ea.gif[/atsimg]
We are indeed clever little monkeys
This makes people talking about how wrong our models are look a little silly. There may be some gaps or missing pieces of information in our models, but what we know is confirmed by quite a bit of evidence and this is one of the most amazing confirmations.
Originally posted by 23432
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined
What is missing? Please be precise.
Originally posted by 23432
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined
What is missing? Please be precise.
Higgs Boson ?
You can't be serious , can you ?
I already answered that...sort of...when I asked you if the vacuum is what you were talking about.
Originally posted by 23432
Do you entertain the idea of an existence of a Field which permuates entire universe and everything in it ?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
That the current model of Atom is not fully and compherensively defined
What is missing? Please be precise.
Higgs Boson ?
You can't be serious , can you ?
I'm dead serious.
Atom a system of a nucleus and electron shell. It can be studied and even imaged as demonstrated in this and other threads and publications. If Higgs has any measurable effect on the atomic structure, this would have been discovered a long time ago.
What did the science get wrong in describing H as a proton and an electron, bound by Coulomb potential?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I already answered that...sort of...when I asked you if the vacuum is what you were talking about.
Originally posted by 23432
Do you entertain the idea of an existence of a Field which permuates entire universe and everything in it ?
Words have meaning, please make a note of that.
If you mean the vacuum, say vacuum.
Field is a different word which has a different meaning. We have evidence of fields such as gravitational fields electromagnetic fields.
If there's another type of field proposed, one would need to describe what properties it would have or not have, how it would or would not interact with various types of matter and energy, and then that information could be used to develop experimental tests to accept or reject the hypothesis that it exists.
So, you got any of that? (Besides Sheldrake where I already posted the article by his research assistant saying she did help him test for such a field, and as a result, she saw no evidence to support the existence of his hypothesized "morphogenic fields").
Originally posted by 23432
I see you still have not answered the question directly ; Do you entertain the idea of e field which permuates all the universe ?
Originally posted by 23432
Sheldrakes assistans revelations . . .
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
I see you still have not answered the question directly ; Do you entertain the idea of e field which permuates all the universe ?
I do. It's the Higgs field. Now, how does Rodin describe that?
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Originally posted by 23432
Sheldrakes assistans revelations . . .
"Assistans"?
Originally posted by 23432
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
I see you still have not answered the question directly ; Do you entertain the idea of e field which permuates all the universe ?
I do. It's the Higgs field. Now, how does Rodin describe that?
As far as I can see , Rodin describes the Field as grid of numbers in a torroid and the Energy Unit which circulates a pattern , indefinitely .
If you entertain the idea of a substance which permuates whole universe , why is it so difficult to entertain Rodin's ideas ?
Perhaps the energy unit does follow a sequence of pattern to become matter/mass .
Perhaps the diffferentiation to become different type of matter is hidden within the pattern .
As you can see many legit questions can be asked without violating understood knowledge .
Originally posted by 23432
Presumably these sub atomic particles at some point were in energy form and became matter/mass due to high energy concentration of the big bang .
Can your stand attempts to explain how the energy units organised themselves into their matter/mass form ?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
I see you still have not answered the question directly ; Do you entertain the idea of e field which permuates all the universe ?
I do. It's the Higgs field. Now, how does Rodin describe that?
As far as I can see , Rodin describes the Field as grid of numbers in a torroid and the Energy Unit which circulates a pattern , indefinitely .
Well he may well define anything for himself, without any bearing on reality.
If you entertain the idea of a substance which permuates whole universe , why is it so difficult to entertain Rodin's ideas ?
Because the Higgs hypothesis provides ways to actually test it, and explains how observables will look under certain conditions, and Rodin does nothing of that sort. What's so difficult to get here?
Perhaps the energy unit does follow a sequence of pattern to become matter/mass .
Perhaps the diffferentiation to become different type of matter is hidden within the pattern .
As you can see many legit questions can be asked without violating understood knowledge .
As I can see that's a bunch of verbal soup.
edit on 15-12-2011 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by 23432
Presumably these sub atomic particles at some point were in energy form and became matter/mass due to high energy concentration of the big bang .
Transition of energy to mass and back is happening all the time, what's your point?
Point is that there is a pattern . The pattern might have something to do with how the matter organises itself .
Can your stand attempts to explain how the energy units organised themselves into their matter/mass form ?
Why did they need to "organize" themselves?
More to the point, you didn't answer my question as to what' missing in the model of the atom as we know it. So what's the missing bit?
Originally posted by 23432
Missing bits ? I am going to prefer the term inadequate .I think when I stated that the current model doesn't exactly include the Field , that would be the answer to your question . Was I wrong or have you missed it perhaps ?