Is Trump a chump?

Originally posted by RoguePhilosopher
reply to post by kro32

 

Couldnt agree more. All he will say is that there was some ambiguity about Obama's birth that required clearing up prior to the election so that the election campaign can then focus on the real issues and getting America back on an even better managed keel!

Actually he will probably go one further and take credit for getting to the bottom of it. The more I think about this, it's a win win situation for Trump..

reply to post by kro32


You got it! I wonder if this will open the eyes and minds of others. Trump will give Obama Mr no changerama the bump and probably use the line "youre fired chump when he does"

The question is not if he will run (thats obvious). Its how he will run? And which way he will get the most votes. You could argue that based on the last 2 presidential disasters (note rep and dem) running as an independent would carry no baggage from either!

Originally posted by RoguePhilosopher
reply to post by kro32

 

You got it! I wonder if this will open the eyes and minds of others. Trump will give Obama Mr no changerama the bump and probably use the line "youre fired chump when he does"

The question is not if he will run (thats obvious). Its how he will run? And which way he will get the most votes. You could argue that based on the last 2 presidential disasters (note rep and dem) running as an independent would carry no baggage from either!

He will be given the republican ticket more than likely. If he runs as an independent he will certainly prevent the republicans from winning either by taking it himself or pulling enough votes to give obama another shot. Just like perot did.

reply to post by kro32

Youre possibly right. Not sure. Its possible that the rep and dems could cut each others throats because they cannot easily if at all defend there last time in office. Surely the younger generations have had enough after Obamas change promises and will see the rep and dems as being more of the same lies and false promises (and more wars, more dead youth etc). Trump can focus on the important issues of being firm on foriegn policy without wars re: china, the failings of both parties. Its an interesting scenario and what a debate if it happened.

Note Im not from the US.

reply to post by yeahright


Thank you, its a really incredible speech. And the names have changed, but the multinationals now rule the world more then Ike could have imagined. Thats why I gave them the name, Chimera. Seems to fit for the moment at least.

Originally posted by kro32
I can clear it up for you once. Trump started not poor but not wealthy either. He had enough money from his father to buy one building in New York City. Certainly a chunk of change to start with but not in the millions. He nevertheless parlayed this into one success after the other.

Your "essay" on why you like Trump is very nicely written but it fails to convince me it is anything but more promoting of Trump as showman without including many facts. His daddy was rich. His daddy paid for Donald to go to the best schools to make his rich contacts from the outset so that is where he started. He was not an orphan that showed up on daddy's doorstep one day, asking for a one time loan.

During the 80's he fell to the economic boom by overexpanding as many other investers did. His casino's and such ran into serious problems and he was looking at bankruptcy. Getting into the problem is not so much the issue has how he got out of it. He gathered all his bankers who were looking at forclosure and somehow convinced them that he could take his situation and turn it around.

He made bad investments and then told a bunch of people with the power to bail him out, how he could make it all lemonade. Not really convincing me so far.

They agreed to finance a loan for him for how many millions I forget but basically it was make or break time for Donald. He went double or nothing really. Anyways he worked his ass off, liquedating what he had to, making deals he needed and in the course of two years I believe emerged debt free with his loans payed off.

You seem to leave out some details and concentrate on one of these many times Trump "fell on hard times." Why is that?

This was done through sheer will of force and hard work. Another example is the famous ice rink in New York City that had been under construction for years and was extremely over budget. Trump said he would take it over and did and finished it under budget in record time. Because he enjoyed the ice rink and wanted it finished.

This was not doen throgu sheer will of force. It was done by giving up ownership of his properties so that someone who knew how to run a business could make a profit off of them. Now his name is on the buildings and he gets a cute little check for his name while real businessmen make money instead of driving it into debt. But you say he fixed up the ice rink eh?

He makes things happen which is needed in Washington and he knows how to bargain with people. He is far more qualified than any of the other people on either side running. His biggest flaw is foreign policy but right now I think that takes a back seat to our domestic policies.

His biggest flaw seems to be people proclaiming him some great businessman based on what Trump alone tells them without having a clue about his actual financial situation or acknowledging that his most successfuel ventures had to be taken over by someone who could make a profit off of them because Donald failed to.

Trump's no gump (as in Forest) and now most likely giving Obama the hump after his recent birther dump. So later he'll probably give him the bump

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by kro32
I can clear it up for you once. Trump started not poor but not wealthy either. He had enough money from his father to buy one building in New York City. Certainly a chunk of change to start with but not in the millions. He nevertheless parlayed this into one success after the other.

Your "essay" on why you like Trump is very nicely written but it fails to convince me it is anything but more promoting of Trump as showman without including many facts. His daddy was rich. His daddy paid for Donald to go to the best schools to make his rich contacts from the outset so that is where he started. He was not an orphan that showed up on daddy's doorstep one day, asking for a one time loan.

During the 80's he fell to the economic boom by overexpanding as many other investers did. His casino's and such ran into serious problems and he was looking at bankruptcy. Getting into the problem is not so much the issue has how he got out of it. He gathered all his bankers who were looking at forclosure and somehow convinced them that he could take his situation and turn it around.

He made bad investments and then told a bunch of people with the power to bail him out, how he could make it all lemonade. Not really convincing me so far.

They agreed to finance a loan for him for how many millions I forget but basically it was make or break time for Donald. He went double or nothing really. Anyways he worked his ass off, liquedating what he had to, making deals he needed and in the course of two years I believe emerged debt free with his loans payed off.

You seem to leave out some details and concentrate on one of these many times Trump "fell on hard times." Why is that?

This was done through sheer will of force and hard work. Another example is the famous ice rink in New York City that had been under construction for years and was extremely over budget. Trump said he would take it over and did and finished it under budget in record time. Because he enjoyed the ice rink and wanted it finished.

This was not doen throgu sheer will of force. It was done by giving up ownership of his properties so that someone who knew how to run a business could make a profit off of them. Now his name is on the buildings and he gets a cute little check for his name while real businessmen make money instead of driving it into debt. But you say he fixed up the ice rink eh?

He makes things happen which is needed in Washington and he knows how to bargain with people. He is far more qualified than any of the other people on either side running. His biggest flaw is foreign policy but right now I think that takes a back seat to our domestic policies.

His biggest flaw seems to be people proclaiming him some great businessman based on what Trump alone tells them without having a clue about his actual financial situation or acknowledging that his most successfuel ventures had to be taken over by someone who could make a profit off of them because Donald failed to.

Lol actually this is all from biography..not sure what channell but i'm sure you know the program. Go ahead and net flix it and watch it yourself, i'm not campaigning for the guy but it sounds like your definetly against him without knowing the story first.

I also think your not seeing the forest through the trees. Your getting far too hung up on the little details and missing the big picture. Trump has a proven track record of taking very bad economic situations and fixing them. I think that is a very admirable quality in anyone who wants to be President.

reply to post by kro32


Donny's holding the Aces and if he runs and plays his cards right he will most probably TRUMP changerama Obama. Trunps no gump and will give surely give Obama the bump!!!

Trump's already released his birth certificate, Nobama, where's yours???

Originally posted by kro32
Lol actually this is all from biography..not sure what channell but i'm sure you know the program.

No...actually this is from you. This is your version of what you learned about Trump from watching a television show. Read his books.

Go ahead and net flix it and watch it yourself, i'm not campaigning for the guy but it sounds like your definetly against him without knowing the story first.

No, I know exactly why I am against Trump for president and I have a hard time believing that after the books I have read, the only thing missing was a television show.

I also think your not seeing the forest through the trees. Your getting far too hung up on the little details and missing the big picture. Trump has a proven track record of taking very bad economic situations and fixing them. I think that is a very admirable quality in anyone who wants to be President.

edit on 17-4-2011 by kro32 because: added more.

But he does not. He has a track record of making empty claims and promises, failing to deliver, and mastering the hype on both ends. I get it that all the teleprompter haters really just want a guy who knows exactly what to say and how, no matter how full of crap he obviously is.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by kro32
Lol actually this is all from biography..not sure what channell but i'm sure you know the program.

No...actually this is from you. This is your version of what you learned about Trump from watching a television show. Read his books.

Go ahead and net flix it and watch it yourself, i'm not campaigning for the guy but it sounds like your definetly against him without knowing the story first.

No, I know exactly why I am against Trump for president and I have a hard time believing that after the books I have read, the only thing missing was a television show.

I also think your not seeing the forest through the trees. Your getting far too hung up on the little details and missing the big picture. Trump has a proven track record of taking very bad economic situations and fixing them. I think that is a very admirable quality in anyone who wants to be President.

edit on 17-4-2011 by kro32 because: added more.

But he does not. He has a track record of making empty claims and promises, failing to deliver, and mastering the hype on both ends. I get it that all the teleprompter haters really just want a guy who knows exactly what to say and how, no matter how full of crap he obviously is.

He has delivered on many occasions. Take my example of him finishing the ice rink in new york city as one. I would go on but your mind obviously isn't open so there is no use in debating you on it.

Originally posted by kro32
He has delivered on many occasions.

I never once claimed the man has had 0 successes.

Take my example of him finishing the ice rink in new york city as one. I would go on but your mind obviously isn't open so there is no use in debating you on it.

The fact that you take the time to twice offer me examples and both times go back to the same one is not going to help much.

reply to post by Sinnthia

Excuse me!! Trumpnpotus is no Gump. Have you not studied Trumpology?
Next question.

Sorry couldnt resist.

reply to post by RoguePhilosopher


That was actually pretty funny. I cannot wait to see how that tactic works out in a debate. He really does not seem to like getting any actual questions and he is hardly even being pressed on anything yet.

reply to post by Sinnthia

Maybe there's a possibility of a new debating paradigm whereby if you politely (Excuse me) give as few anwers as possible you are less likely to lie, trip up, upset anyone, etc, yet you just state your experieince, successes and intent reflecting on previous POTUS broken pre-election promisses, ending with Next Question.

One of the questions to or from Trumpy might be, do you swing?

Is this possibly Trumpology defined, win win say it like it is approach!

Whatever entails if he runs then it will be the most fascinating and im sure amusing election since USA was born.

Trump has what America needs right now. The mind of a business man and not a war monger. We need someone running this country who isn't going to spend more money on stupid things, such as a few hundred million dollar piece of "artwork" outside the pentagon.

He's all about bringing the jobs back home and stabilizing our broken down economy. We have too much dependency on China with all the outsourcing. We NEED to have jobs brought back to America and have Americans supporting American made goods. I believe his proposed 25% tax increase on all goods and services out of China might just be what we need to accomplish such a feat.

All-in-all Donal Trump appears to be the best placed candidate at this time in my eyes. The last person I care to see in office is another puppet that talks big and walks small. Enough of these "we promise change" campaigns, it's time for a " America means BUSINESS" campaign.

reply to post by dillweed


Trump hasn't worked a day in his life either.

Seriously, I hope Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination just so that Trump the Chump doesn't.

I want someone with real world experience, whether it's Trump or someone else. If you're only real world experience is a Community Organizer and elected office then sorry, you don't make the cut.

As for Trump specifically I would like to hear him clarify on some of his policies, especially taxes and foreign economic policies. He has as much military experience as Obama did (ie ZERO) but I would still prefer he pick a VP that has been part of the Armed Forces.

I note that the Bush's are members of the Bohemian Club but dont see Obama nor Trump.

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Does that suggest Obama is puppet small fry.
And Trump doesnt want to play their power games.