Is Trump a chump?

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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by dillweed
Any takers out there for a "Dump the Chump and vote for Trump" campaign?


Probably, but I'd never be one of them. Maybe a "Vote for Obama and I'll slap your momma" campaign.

There's exactly one thing that's good about a Trump candidacy - you know exactly what you're getting. Now, if that's what you want, then it's a relatively free country, so go for working toward it. It surprises me how many people on a site filled with individuals who distrust the status quo, Big Business, and corporatocracy would even consider supporting Trump.

If there's a bigger self-aggrandizing blowhard out there, I can't think of who it might be. Limbaugh, maybe?

Check this out - Rahm Emanuel's brother Ari is Trump's agent. Now personally, I don't have a particular problem with that. But I think it's interesting enough to be good information to have. Especially if a positive opinion of Trump for POTUS is based upon his being some renegade, outside the beltway, champion of the People. Talk about your trickle down. Trump's version is if it falls off the table and you can grab the crumb before he can kick it away from you, you can keep it. Pending litigation.


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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Is Trump a chump?

Without question.

Anybody making a conspiracy theory their main political platform like Trump is, especially one as racist and silly as the birther issue, is simply a clown looking for attention and money.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Frith


Is Trump a chump?

Without question.

Anybody making a conspiracy theory their main political platform like Trump is, especially one as racist and silly as the birther issue, is simply a clown looking for attention and money.


I think its more like Acceptance. Acceptance into the elite power group.

The one thing he can't buy.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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I believe you are right about that. Trump is fabulously wealthy but, it's not 'old money'. He says that he will announce in june whether or not to run, so if he does run it means that they couldn't control him. That's my hope, that he runs as a renegade, against the washington bureauocracy, against the Rothschilds.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by Annee
 
I believe you are right about that. Trump is fabulously wealthy but, it's not 'old money'. He says that he will announce in june whether or not to run, so if he does run it means that they couldn't control him. That's my hope, that he runs as a renegade, against the washington bureauocracy, against the Rothschilds.



Oh no.

I think he wants to be accepted by the Rothchilds. That's what he can't buy. You don't "buy in" to that group. If they want him to win - - he will win.

Did you know the GOP canceled an event that was supposed to launch the next GOP hopeful - - because they didn't have anyone?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Trump the renegade vs Obama the failed changerama vs Palin's the anti-christ would be an interesting election



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by dillweed
That's my hope, that he runs as a renegade, against the washington bureauocracy, against the Rothschilds.


I know that's a common belief, but I 100% believe if the Rothschilds were off the planet tomorrow, it wouldn't change a single thing regarding power structures and how it all works. Sure, there's an US and a THEM, but the THEM ain't that simple to label. It's a whole lot more complex, interrelated, and pervasive than that.

You'd get a better, yet still incomplete, grasp on THEM by reading Eisenhower's 1961 farewell address. 1961. 50 years ago. Specifics have changed, but the principle hasn't.


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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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The people my vote trump because of the last 2 presidents and their diabolical performances, broken promises and either too strong or too weak leadership, not to mention being too soft on China and run of the mill puppets!!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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The guy owned a casino that went bankrupt because he wanted to have the most luxurious casino in the world. But he never learned anything about gambling obviously. Since now hes put all his backing on a dead horse in a horse race. That dead horse is the birther movement.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Right now, Trump is leading in the polls for the GOP nomination, he came on tv today and came out and told it like it is: EVERYONE is laughing at the USA, its time we got our pride back, and show the rest of the world the USA is the GREATEST country on this planet



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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Well a good start to that would be for Trump to NOT throw his hat in the ring.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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The electorate may well not fall for the bull# of the last 2 presidents prefer an outsider like they did with Ronny although this time it could be Donny! Whoever gets in its hard to change the status quo! Will that ever change.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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oh please, you dont know what youre talking about



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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news.oneindia.in...



New York, Oct 3 (ANI): Donald Trump's business partner Tevfik Arif has been charged for his role in pimping out Eastern European models for decadent sex parties aboard a Turkish yacht.
Turkish prosecutors have reportedly hit Arif and five others with charges related to organizing a criminal gang, prostitution and human trafficking, reports the New York Daily News.
Details of the charges were not revealed because prosecutors had not drawn up an indictment.
The six suspects remained in custody pending a trial, according to the reports.
The arrests came after police raided the Savarona, a 450-foot luxury yacht moored off the coast of the city Antalya.
It followed a seven-month probe into the alleged international prostitution ring.
During the raid, police rounded up nine Russian and Ukranian models - two of whom were minors - and the wealthy businessmen who allegedly shelled out 3,000-dollar to 10,000-dollar for the trysts.


I guess Trump and his family were sued along with the guy in the above article for fraud.
www.hoteliermiddleeast.com...



Aug 4, 2010 Donald Trump is one of the defendants named in the complaint [Getty Images]. People behind the Trump SoHo Hotel Condominium New York are being sued by buyers who claim they lied about sales figures for the project.

According to the complaint, representatives of Trump SoHo said the project was “30, 40, 50, 60 percent or more sold” , but when the offering plan began, buyers learned that just over 15% of the building, 62 of the 391 units, had been sold.

Representatives of the complainants said they would never have signed contracts if they knew so little of the project had been sold.

These buyers, who have bought six units at Trump SoHo, are suing to have their contracts rescinded and their deposits returned, as well as for unspecified damages and fees.

Among the defendants named in the complaint are the Bayrock/Sapir Organization LLC; Donald J. Trump; Alex Sapir; and Tevfik Arif; and sales and marketing bodies, including Trump’s children, Donald, Ivanka and Eric.



Does Trump really want people to dig through his past?
edit on 16-4-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Very persuasive sir. Would read again.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by dillweed
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Yes, I think I can sway you. Since a massive ego would be one requirement, we're good there.


I am with you there. I agree it is both necessary for the job and Trump has it in spades.


As far as business expertise, Trump has lost it all at least once in the past. He owes nothing that I'm aware of.


How did he get back from losing it all? Do you know how many times he has failed and been bailed out? Is he self made or was he handed a lot to lose to begin with? I understand he is rich now but so is Paris Hiltion, you know?


The guy in charge right now has never had to make a payroll, or ever really had a job outside of the public sector. He's cluless when it comes to understanding what the small business man contends with in this country. All Obama is, is a community organizer. All he knows is what he's learned in school, and that's why he's not qualified for the job.


I believe I am all clear that you do not like Obama. I hardly feel it is a productive course for any country to simply look to someone else because they are not that guy. If I ask what would make Trump a great president, telling me Obama is a community organizer does not make that argument any more than saying the guy down the block collects strange dolls. Neither one of them are Trump and thus do not exactly explain why I should be for Trump.

I am sick of people telling me to go one way or another just because it is AGAINST someone else. There are other people that are also not Obama. They might be better than Trump. Why Trump?


I can clear it up for you once. Trump started not poor but not wealthy either. He had enough money from his father to buy one building in New York City. Certainly a chunk of change to start with but not in the millions. He nevertheless parlayed this into one success after the other.

During the 80's he fell to the economic boom by overexpanding as many other investers did. His casino's and such ran into serious problems and he was looking at bankruptcy. Getting into the problem is not so much the issue has how he got out of it. He gathered all his bankers who were looking at forclosure and somehow convinced them that he could take his situation and turn it around.

They agreed to finance a loan for him for how many millions I forget but basically it was make or break time for Donald. He went double or nothing really. Anyways he worked his ass off, liquedating what he had to, making deals he needed and in the course of two years I believe emerged debt free with his loans payed off.

This was done through sheer will of force and hard work. Another example is the famous ice rink in New York City that had been under construction for years and was extremely over budget. Trump said he would take it over and did and finished it under budget in record time. Because he enjoyed the ice rink and wanted it finished.

He makes things happen which is needed in Washington and he knows how to bargain with people. He is far more qualified than any of the other people on either side running. His biggest flaw is foreign policy but right now I think that takes a back seat to our domestic policies.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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A chump, no but he is acting like a blithering idiot, with all this birther crap. He has some ideas I actually like, like if we save some ones ass, they should pay for our men and women to be shot at and hit. That seems only fair. After all it always did and always will come down to money.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by arbiture
A chump, no but he is acting like a blithering idiot, with all this birther crap. He has some ideas I actually like, like if we save some ones ass, they should pay for our men and women to be shot at and hit. That seems only fair. After all it always did and always will come down to money.


He's just using the birther thing to get his name out there even more. When and if Obama shows it, which I think he will when the time is right, Trump will just say cool and move on.

There's not really any damage he'll take from this since he's not making a claim one way or the other about Obama but just the proof. Not a bad strategy really.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Couldnt agree more. All he will say is that there was some ambiguity about Obama's birth that required clearing up prior to the election so that the election campaign can then focus on the real issues and getting America back on an even better managed keel!





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