Navy captain produced, starred in 'raunchy' anti-gay videos

reply to post by EdWard54


I do not agree with many of the modern wars but I completely agree with you. Some people need to get a life. These guys will see hell in the theatre of war. Give them a Break!

What happens in the fan room stays in the fan room...

Anyhow, the big deal is that this guy broke policy. From what I recall, there was some cheesy DOD video that we had to watch every 6mo or so dealing with conduct and dealing with things that could be considered sexual harassment. It was so tame it could be considered a joke. It related offensive acts to traffic-light colors so sometimes shipmates would kid about various things being "yellow light" or "red light" territory after watching it.

Apparently the new skipper on the Big-E pushed the subject a bit too far in his own video, so he got quashed on it. If higher ups let this slide, then others much lower down the chain would be using this particular case to try and squeak out in regards to their own disciplinary actions. So they had to put the kibosh on it. More or less, it's "SNAFU".

And somebody said Commander being demoted to Captain? You've got it backwards. The Navy is a bit different in officer rankings compared to the other military branches.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by wayno

 

If it wasn't for a certain amount of political correctness, being a homosexual would probably still be an illegal offence.So before you take a pop at political Correctness, remember that has improved the lives of millions, yours included.

This is an amazingly good point.....

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by wayno

 

If it wasn't for a certain amount of political correctness, being a homosexual would probably still be an illegal offence.So before you take a pop at political Correctness, remember that has improved the lives of millions, yours included.

I would disagree. You are confusing politeness with fairness. I want to be respected and treated fairly but I do not need coddling or special delicate treatment just because I am gay. I am not so thin skinned that I can't take a joke or have my differences pointed out; if I know the context is one of respect and caring.

I suspect that the commander, or whatever his title was, saw his gay crewmembers as being as valuable as any other and just part of the gang.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by MGriff
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

DADT placed ludicrous restrictions on people based on sexual orientation, which is hardly fair in a country supposedly espousing equal rights for all.

Implying that simply not asking and not telling is somehow ludicrously restrictive...

Implying soldiers are treated the same as civilians re: their rights...

*Also, do you think the USMJ will change after the repeal? Since sodomy is against the rules still?

Also, why do you think repealing DADT is a good thing?

Not asking and not telling is ludicrous, because of the repercussions if the information is found out. They are allowed to be homosexual so long as no one knows.

Soldiers don't have all of the same rights as civilians, but they do have the right of equal treatment under the UCMJ, which is what I talked about. I said "equality under the law." That law is UCMJ and its equality is the even distribution of justice amongst service members. That is clearly not the case for homosexual members, which is my reason for using the term ludicrous.

Sodomy will most likely then be treated like every sexual position outside missionary. Illegal in the rules, but not enforced in the slightest. You do know, that right now, you cannot, under UCMJ, have sexual relations outside of missionary, right?

I think it's incredibly unfair and flies in the face of the equality our country pretends to espouse. If someone is capable, they should not be barred from service because they are attracted to members of the same sex. There are plenty of well qualified homosexuals who could serve, but do not.

I'll ask again, since you ignored my question, why do you support DADT? I've answered every point you've made, it is only courteous to answer mine.

Video Cost Navy Man his Job

Well, it looks like he's been permanently removed from his position. I don't care about the videos either way, but it should send a signal to service members across the board.

DADT is going to be repealed, and members will have to act professionally or face the consequences. I think we'll see some resistance, but it won't have an effect at large.

Haha this has got Brass eye written all over it.

Funnnnyyyyy. This guy should have his own show. Anyone know here I can find all the videos? The one with the red bird looks funny.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
The men and women in our military are human. Are they to protect Hollywood's right and not practice free speech themselves?

To answer your question they are not:

Enforcement of these regulations, policy restraints, and traditional restrictions affecting discipline is accomplished through seven articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).12 Specific articles prohibit:

1. Commissioned officers from using contemptuous words against the President and other senior civilian government officials.

2. Any person from behaving with disrespect toward a superior commissioned officer.

3. Insubordinate conduct (speech) toward a warrant officer, noncommissioned officer or petty officer.

4. Willful disobedience of an order or regulation.

5. Persons from making provoking or reproachful speeches or gestures towards other persons subject to the UCMJ.

6. Conduct unbecoming an officer.

7. Conduct prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the armed forces, or that will bring discredit upon the service.

www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil...

If you research this further, you will find that Officers specifically, have even more stringent limits placed on their rights of expression. This was done to prevent Officers from engaging in politics and interfering with the democratic process.

reply to post by 12voltz


No you dont get a star form me.You made a very chauvinistic statement about guy men. While I think dont ask dont tell was a very good compromise to allow men and women to serve unhurassed I got to say unless you been in the military you dont understand,,,furthermore if you haven't been on a deployment you just dont understand...best way to say it is its all guys mostly and very homophobic to say the least.Its ones choice not to engauge in such behavior. While these Videos ended this mans career, it is safe to say that if video cams followed every movement we wouldnt have a fighting force.....sorry but true......GIVEN TIME AND EDUCATION I think things will come around. Dont ask dont tell went over pretty well....I will say this. Where there is open showers I also want to shower with the gender of my liking. Fair game right? I want to shower with the girls ))))))))))))))))) there you go.Thats the truth as well as I can say it. Whats good for them is good for me.RIGHT? Question? does the military still have open showers?

reply to post by Jamiethegreat


seriously I want to be his agent. there is some talent there.Take away the crude and crud there is some talent...

reply to post by MGriff


Sodomy will most likely then be treated like every sexual position outside missionary. Illegal in the rules, but not enforced in the slightest. You do know, that right now, you cannot, under UCMJ, have sexual relations outside of missionary, right?

Originally posted by mike184ever
reply to post by MGriff

 

Sodomy will most likely then be treated like every sexual position outside missionary. Illegal in the rules, but not enforced in the slightest. You do know, that right now, you cannot, under UCMJ, have sexual relations outside of missionary, right?

sorry still havent figured out the quote thing.....but anyway, doest your point show the value of dont ask dont tell...like I said DADT has had its place and I think its a good compromise...If Gays openly serve the I reserve the right to shower with the girls,,,and will openly observe that my combat foxhole buddy might be a woman,(i am a man), and we might be flamingly in love and when one of us gets blown to $hit well we knew the consquences of that one didnt we.And I promise I will conduct my self in a military manor if that said event happens.Yeah right what a crock of $hit. Better keep it DADT cause we are not ready for open gender military service,,,I admire the I want my rights thing but it can only go so far especially when my passport docu........never mind this goes on the United States Socialist Republic thread

reply to post by mike184ever


Seriously Mike what have i said that is offending you,all i said was that most gay men display feminine traits,why else are they attracted to other men.Is that wrong?That is not homophobic or anti gay .All i can gather from this thread is that some homosexual men have some serious hangups about the truth,maybe thats why the big push to make it socially acceptable and encourage the younglings to experiment.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Haha this has got Brass eye written all over i

Well actually it hit BBC world news early this morning. I notice the clip was chosen with the three "guys" together and the "gay " guy giving the other guy the finger. Unfortunately the terms raunchy and homphobic were used so unless the viewer the gets sight of the video with an open mind then the stereotypes of the military as homophobes are perpetuated.

I am disappointed in the BBC as I feel that they could have chosen to be non judgemental. I will leave others to rant about PC in the UK.

reply to post by 12voltz


hey I'm strait. And was in them military. I think your comment was a chauvinistic comment. You are singling someone out, and putting a label on them and saying they have hangups....I stand on my statement...you stand on yours. We are free to say what we want , and free to piss somebody off. I went on to explain my position so there you go..have a great day

reply to post by 12voltz


Well I have known camp men who are straight and macho men who are gay. I do not have any statistical analysis of the camp and non camp numbers in the gay population and I doubt if anyone else does.

These videos are about the mildest "anti-Gay" thing I've ever seen. If you think that's bad why don't you go after Chris Rock the same way? The fact is most of you guys don't even get the joke because you are unfamiliar with the Navy. Calling somone an "SWO Homo" is a slam against the SWO "community" Surface Warfare Officer as opposed to the OTHER side where the "cool aviator" with sunglasses was lounging. The joke is in reference to the antipathy between the two communities. Aviators get to fly F-18s all around, get paid a lot more, and act cool and macho while the SWO gets to float in a straight line. The joke is more against the aviator than the SWO officer and in any case the SWO guy was more than capable of taking care of himself.

The thing is, namby pamby civilians take this stuff out of context. Some of those jokes may seem raunchy to you, but then, you've never been stuck on an aircraft carrier for 8 months at a time with jets taking off and landing day and night where you work 16-18 hour days on a flight deck that is 120 degrees and as dangerous as walking on a freeway. The work is HARD and demanding, often extremely dirty--yet you can only take a 3 minute shower (another joke that is about military discipline--not showers!)

Hey, and the production values are really pretty good.

So not to worry. You'll get your pound of flesh. One of the best most popular officers in the fleet gets his career ruined for a few jokes he did almost 5 years ago and you get to act "shocked" and oh, so offended.

The wussification of America continues.

reply to post by schuyler


You hit the nail right on the head...