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posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by donguillermo
You make five grammatical errors in one sentence. You cannot even write grammatical English, yet you think you are qualified to criticize me about anything?


Then I shall be qualified if you require impeccable grammar and spelling.
You have been asked to remain on topic in this thread. I advise you to take that advice to heart.
Further disregard to the rules of ATS will result in warnings.




posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

me thinks you're being a bit over the top in your sarcasm. or i'm just so use to being patronized that i have hard time telling if you're bein serious.

so which is it?



No no, serious as a heart attack, I think the same way as you do but you tend to make alot better sense then I do... Your english is perfect, your logic is above average, your really #ing smart, and you'd make an excellent speaker...

I really think we should work together.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by donguillermo
arent should be aren't. who's should be whose. dont should be don't. dont not is a double negative. ours who is ungrammatical.

You make five grammatical errors in one sentence. You cannot even write grammatical English, yet you think you are qualified to criticize me about anything?


I guess this is proof that when logic runs out...attack the person's spelling.


In case you didn't realize, ATS is a worldwide site with members who speak many languages besides English. My point here is that it is very poor form to attack spelling and grammer, but as I said, when logic runs out...

You might just possibly say good point to PM (which he did make quite well) and continue on with the discussion. I know that is a mature road to take, but it works quite well.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by TrueLies


No no, serious as a heart attack, I think the same way as you do but you tend to make alot better sense then I do... Your english is perfect, your logic is above average, your really #ing smart, and you'd make an excellent speaker...

I really think we should work together.



my english is perfect? far from it and thats not because of mr guillermo and his comments, i jsut know my english isnt up to snuff. i have SOME ideas (i wouldnt go so far as to call them anything other than JUST ideas) but thats about it. my logic is above average? really smart? i wouldnt say that.

i feel a tugging on my leg. for some reason i feel a joke coming on, in my direction.

if you're serious thanks but i just dont see what you see.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:13 AM
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Ok,

Let me lay it out for you.

Your writing style is very good... Compared to mine since i have problems with sentence structure... I'm a grammer/english freak, somewhat ocd when it comes to that... So I notice alot of sentence fragments, errors, run on sentences, prepositions, ect.. Your sentence structuring is pretty good. I guess I shouldn't say awesome cuz I just went back to re read, but your political beliefs are what tuned me in...

And they are excellent beliefs... I don't know if that helps you any...



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:21 AM
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ok you dig on what i'm saying. thats groovy by me. it doesnt happen often but i appreciate it just the same. i still find it odd though as it is not "normal" behavior in regards to my postings.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:23 AM
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OK, some ass kissing is ok, but let's keep it on the pre-marriage zones.

Positive debate can not be had here on the whole until a schooling of the trolls occurs. An intolerance for ignorance and drive by postings.

Example:

If you see something like this - "Liberals are babykilling peaceniks who want me to give up my hard earned money so they can give it to some crack whore with four kids."

Perhaps this example is a bit more than you'd normally see, but the sentiment is there more often than not on BOTH sides.

What to do:

Take steps to explain (nicely or not, your choice) why they contribute nothing and only detract from learning, conversational progress, and rational thought.

Afterword

I'm sure we will always see jackasses around here. Such is the way of freespace. But I think a cooperative group of core folks regardless of politics could demolish most of the trollage.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
ok you dig on what i'm saying. thats groovy by me. it doesnt happen often but i appreciate it just the same. i still find it odd though as it is not "normal" behavior in regards to my postings.


LOL, well i'm glad you find it groovy i'll stop posting things to you on here as you've recieve my u2u's...

Just keep it real, your doing a good job and I appreciate your political ideas, we need more people like you around.. It's like finding a diamond in the middle of a garbage dump... Ok, enough ass slapping..



My beliefs:
I have to take a bathroom break so i'll edit this post when I come back (too much coffee, and maybe thats why i'm super exicted, lol).
(to be edited)



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad

My political stance is in favour of Democratic Socialism.

I believe in redistribution of a country's wealth among the people, and in funding nationalised public services such as transport, healthcare and, most importantly, education with taxpayers money. I believe in higher taxes for the wealthy. I believe in extensive civil rights and freedoms. I believe that a government should involve the people in all important decisions, and elections should be free and regular.


Thats what we have here in Austria. The have one of the best public transportation systems in the world, education is first class and you dont have to be a rich daddy's son to attend one of the best universities in the world . Also, people who happen to be born in third world, in poverty, but have some brains in their head, can also attend university in Austria free of charge, I am one of those. Middle and low class benefit a LOT from the system, various social benefits, EXCELENT healthcare ( I pay about 20$ a month and for that I get every single medical treatment including dentist without paying a cent extra, not to mention very cheap medicine ), great enviromental policies, clean air. The country is loaded with rich people, despite the high taxes, so all is good. Workers unions take care of virtualy everything related to work, workplace, healthy work enviroment, job policies. Oh, one more thing, as far as I know, in USA people get 10 days of paid holiday a year. Here I get 25, less stress, better productivity.

Yeah, life is good when you got Democratic Socialism


In the recent years conservatives have gained popularity, mainly because of their anti-foreigner policy that appeals to braindead people, but they have been tamed now.

On a side note: there is a HUGE difference between democratic socialism and communism, a HUGE BIG GIGANTIC difference.



posted on Jul, 9 2004 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by paperclip
Thats what we have here in Austria.


While I am truely estatic for you and your people, I think that the Austrian model would not rear the same effects here in America.

Austria has a ballpark population of 8-9 million people in an area the size of Maine (well, slightly smaller, but pretty close). ANY system would work better there than it would here due to the shear number of government workers we would need here, and the scope of operation.

To impliment a trasportation system like over there would cost trillions. The government here hires people with mental problems, people who have committed felonies, and idiots on a PERCENTAGE BASIS. YIKES.

Education, your system could not work here because already we have situations where NO ONE watches where the money is going or how it is used. In Washington DC, they are spending roughly 10,000 bucks a year PER STUDENT. Yet DC has some of the worst schools in the country. Why? Because there is no monitoring.

We are corrupt, and ineffective no matter the system. It comes from being a large country.



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