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Progressives want to kill the elderly and the sick

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Originally posted by The Sword
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So what if they do? Are you one of those super-rich bastards that's been screwing people out of their money all these years?

Or are you just another Palin Programmed Shill?


Its nice to know that you place people within these two groups..........because you either have to be a programmed shill.........

Or you have to be a rich person that screws people..........because everyone knows all rich people screw everyone......


Are you aware of your own ignorance are you in such blissful denial that you are hopelessly lost?

Troll


>> Let's not get personal here. The QUALIFIER in the comment was NOT "rich people" -- but; "those super-rich bastards that's been screwing people out of their money all these years" -- you don't have to be greedy and screwing people to be rich -- but it certainly HELPS.

We are finally over the hump where everyone assumes that wealth is always based on merit. This is part of the 12 step program to get over a "greed is good" society -- we've gotten into the "ANGER" stage at least.




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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And while we're at it atheists eat babies, Christians all want to murder abortion doctors, homosexuality will lead to bestiality, and Muslims are all terrorists.

Any other stupid fear-mongering generalizations you'd like to make?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Matrix Rising



wow! i just got a headache...

you are truly misinformed pal, like others have stated, turn off fox news, even that newsmax site is a joke..and get real information by actually doing RESEARCH! yep...try it you might end up liking it.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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The only things conservatives value are ignorance and greed. Ever notice how many rightwingers bray about their "rights' when it comes to keeping money for themselves rather than paying their share of government taxes? It is such ilk as these that have been the main stumbling block to a more enlightened america. As for ignorance there is no greater example than the number of unemployed rightwingers now on the receiving end of all those social programs that give them unemployment insurance, welfare, medicare and many other assistance benefits, benefits they berated when times were better. You rightwingers go on about your disdain for progressive policies but just try to imagine the conditions the unemployed would be in if all these programs didn`t exist now as a means to blunt the failures of conservative economics since 1981, the very same type of economics that brought you the crash of 1929. No wonder rightwingers want to dissolve the Dept. of Education, makes it easier to teach conservative lies in public schools without objective federal oversight. No doubt the southern states would have the northern states starting the civil-war rather than themselves in the name of protecting slavery. No wonder the greatest economic fraud in history was manufactured from the ignorance of conservative leadership and embraced by a majority electorate too busy playing video games and chasing after money to see it coming.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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actually i don´t understand why in a 90% christian society people are so afraid of the death.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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It's funny how liberals try to say Conservatives are greedy and they don't want to pay their fair share when liberals cry about the need for Big Government and they don't pay their "fair share" whatever that nonsense means.

Liberal actors and singers cry about big Government but most of these people own Corporations to shield their money from taxation so they can build wealth. Are they crooks and greedy also? When an Actor gets 10 million for a movie, they don't pay taxes on that money. It goes through their Corporation and they build wealth with that money.

Useful Idiots cry about people paying their "fair share" and their taxes are taken out before they get their paycheck which makes it harder for them to build wealth. What you don't understand is when you have more control over your money you can make better decisions for you and your family than crooked Politicians in Washington.

Warren Buffet cries about the rich need to pay more. He gave 1.5 billion to charity why didn't he call up the Treasury Department and send them a billion if he thinks Government is so efficient and needs more money?

The Progressives want to kill off the elderly to control costs in order to protect the State and it's Government program.

They will pay Doctors to push End Of Life Care on the elderly so they can forgo expensive medical treatment. Nobody is scared of death, we just don't want Government pushing Death to the Elderly in order to cut costs for their beloved, overbloated Government Program.
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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The Progressives want to kill off the elderly to control costs in order to protect the State and it's Government program.


Why are you repeating this again, even if it has been debunked on page 2? Repeated lie wont become truth.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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The Progressives want to kill off the elderly to control costs in order to protect the State and it's Government program.


Why are you repeating this again, even if it has been debunked on page 2? Repeated lie wont become truth.


It worked for Hitler and many others.
I really do not understand this hate against euthenasia.
As long as it is their own free choice, who the fudge are you to stand in their way?
I know I would rather be put down then suffer needlessly or get pumped full of painkillers and turn in to a vegetable.
But hey that's just me.
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:54 AM
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You're joking right?

When have I said anything about Bush? You need to read my posts. I'm not a fan of Bush and he borrowed and spent like crazy and he didn't do anything to control spending. Yes, there are Progressives who are Republicans.

The Obama Administration wants "Death Panels" in order to push End of Life care on the elderly so they can forgo expensive medical treatment. This has nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with trying to control costs instead of reforming the Pyramid scheme.

This is how they will ration healthcare in general. They will do it through reimbursement rates. The more healthcare you give the less money Doctors will get. The less healthcare you give the more money you will get. This is why Obama talks about reducing the volume in healthcare and he told the one lady maybe her mother needed to take a pain pill instead of expensive surgery.

Of course Politicians will couch these things in flowery language because they know that they can fool the American People.

Hopefully the new members coming into the House will starve these things but people have a way of changing when they get to Washington so we will see.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:00 AM
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I really do not understand this hate against euthenasia. As long as it is their own free choice, who the fudge are you to stand in their way? I know I would rather be put down then suffer needlessly or get pumped full of painkillers and turn in to a vegetable


Exactly, very well said.

Voluntary euthanasia should be a basic human right IMHO. We dont let animals suffer, but yet we force human persons to suffer, even if they can give consent to euthanasia? And conservatives dare to speak about individual liberty?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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Finally, you and others are admitting to what I'm saying. The guy you quoted even said Hitler was right. Of course Progressives think Hitler was right but he should have gassed people based on their worth to the State instead of race.

It's a sick and twisted ideology.

If a person wants to end their suffering and pain that's fine but that's a private matter. It shouldn't be pushed by the State in order to cut cost in some Government program. The whole idea is to ration healthcare in order to control costs.


The rule was issued by Dr. Donald Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, according to the Times. He is a longtime advocate for rationing medical procedures for the elderly.

Berwick has argued that rationing will have to be implemented eventually, stating, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care. The decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

Seniors appear to be a major target for precious resources under the Obama healthcare plan. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Obama plan cuts nearly $500 billion in Medicare benefits to seniors as the federal government adds 30 million uninsured Americans to private and public healthcare systems.


This has nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with cost cutting measures to protect the State.

A sick and twisted ideology.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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wow certainly a Glenn-Beckian view,
quite over-reacted in my opinion.

In terms of extreme entertainment (the one Alex Jones produces too) I love GB show, but I wouldnt forget that you can play a join-the-dots with whatever facts given to generate a certain picture.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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Finally, you and others are admitting to what I'm saying. The guy you quoted even said Hitler was right.


The guy claimed what YOU are doing (repeating lie) worked for Hitler. Dont put words into others mouth and out of context.




If a person wants to end their suffering and pain that's fine but that's a private matter. It shouldn't be pushed by the State in order to cut cost in some Government program.



A measure providing for free advice on how individuals can create living wills to inform their doctors and families what kind of end-of-life care they want.


Is this pushing euthanasia? Certainly not. WHY exactly would this measure be bad?
I, for one, would be glad to have an opportunity to receive free advice on how to make a proper living will. I am not a lawyer.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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It's not true, I am elderly, sick AND progressive. While it IS true that somedays I want to kill myself, it's not to rid the earth of me. And I certainly don't want to kill anyone else.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Pitons
Elderly men have rights to live. They earned it. They built the country for the next generation.

Sick (ordinary ilness) have rights to healthcare.

Mentally ill, genetically defected who are uncapable of doing deeds to the society should be castrated.


Your post sounded very violent to me, so I can logically conclude that you're mentally ill, which by your twisted, ill-informed standards makes you genetically defected. Congratulations, you get to be the first subject to step up to the rusty pair of scissors, and put your narcissistic delusions to the test! Quite literally, I might add.
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
And yet, conservatives want to end these programs altogether and shunt the money into wall street. So, who wants to kill granny again? The people who want to reform these programs and make sure that they last, or the people that want to end these programs altogether and give the money to people like Bernie Madoff?



FAIL

Ending Social Security and Medicare would end the tax for it. So explain to me how conservatives want to "shunt" the money into wall street.

And yeah, I don't want to pay for those programs anymore. Because combined they are over $100 trillion over budget in future obligations. Neither myself nor my kids will ever be able to use it. So tell me why I should pay all that money into something that will not help my children in anyway, or that I will ever be able to use?

It's generational looting, and there is nothing compassionate about it.

Progressives have done more to enrich wall street at the taxpayers expense than every conservative administration combined. Just ask Goldman Sachs how much they benefited from holding virtually every single cabinet position in Obama's administration.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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The way I see it, there are two camps.
On one side you have the progressives that want more government control, to have that burden of responsibility lifted from them, ie; retirement, healthcare. . .
And on the other side you have the libertarian folks that feel that personal resonsibility in healthcare, planing your own retirement, should be paramount.

I'm on the libertarian side. I don't want big brother to determine my healthcare options, my retirement plans. I guess some people are more comfortable with government telling them what to do than others.


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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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I heard Newsmax was a completely unbiased source of information.....not.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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It's amazing how well Fox New works. They really are a fascinating group of propagandists. If you're already turned off go to the last paragraph where I state why the Left is scary.


Here's how to bash Progressives realistically.

1. All progressives care about is the poor. They don't care about the rich, the healthy or greedy people.
2. All progressives want is for people to be healthy. But they recognize that healthcare costs, because of the parasitical nature of health insurance companies are out of control. So, hard decisions sometimes have to be made. And that may result in cases where people who are dying are denied knee transplants.
3. Progressives care almost nothing about national defense. They think people and jobs should come first.
4. Progressives are often for raising taxes because they are dreamers and think that people who are rich should be willing and able to pay a bit more than folks that are barely getting by.

That's the truth. Anything about progressives wanting to hurt people is pure hooey. That's propaganda pure and simple. Progressives are obsessed with helping people. That's why they're called 'progressives'.

The most important thing I think you people who believe that progressives are out to hurt people should take away from my reply is this:

1. It doesn't matter what you think about progressives. Progressives are the future. Fox News is controlling this country now and their ratings will drop as the boomers die. It's just a fact. And their influence, poisonous as it is, will drop too.
2. The greatest threat to the USA, frankly, is progressives. Why do I say that? Because first and foremost, the far right is a compensation scheme. The Republicans all just want to become lobbyists and make a ton of dough. The Right, corporate bought and paid for, can't hold power because they can't speak the truth - at all. That would lead to skepticism about why the want power! And lead to people realizing that they could care less what happens to the USA. Because of this the USA is likely to go in the next 20 years very far down the tubes.
3. As the homeless, and the hopelessly unemployed become homeless, they will soon have nothing to lose. This will cause riots, burning cities, police state brutality, etc. It will be horrible, but not revolutionary. On the backs of this will rise a New Left. These folks, unlike the greedy Republicans are truly scary. Why? Because they are academics that actually want power. They don't want to get rich, they want power. They will take the police state we have now and turn it into something truly scary.

So, am I contradicting myself? No, progressives are the future, the Right is doomed because their failures caused this mess and everybody knows it and the civil unrest that happens will either lead to a healthy progressive future or a Far Left kind of police state.

We need to help sane progressives now to prevent this. Forget about the Right. They're doomed!



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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I don't believe you.

Perhaps you have some statistics to back up your claims, no?


Your really do not think they are going to come out and say so out right do you???


So how about reading between the lines:

Health Care in the UK: 3,000 patients starved to death in hospital, the vast majority of them elderly - soared by 62 per cent between 1997 and 2009. www.dailymail.co.uk...

Flu "mistake" really a Bio-weapon? www.theflucase.com... 4

US Patent Application 20090010962 – Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof: Scientist who heads WHO laboratory on influenza holds patent for bioengineered swine flu virus: www.disinfo.com...

I do not know why anyone would think the US government is to be trusted.

A History of Governmentally Coerced Sterilization: www.whale.to...
USDA funded Spermicidal Corn: biotech.indymedia.org...

THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS: How scientists secretly used US citizens as guinea pigs during the Cold War: www.whale.to...
My Mother was one of the subjects of THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS. She was severly burned because of an “Accident” during Radiation therapy. The doctor, know by his fellow doctor's as “The Butcher” said he was writing a paper and Mom was one of his subjects when we wanted to take her from under his care.

“Rationing” of Health Care has already been discussed and the proposed guidelines designed as a blueprint for hospitals are already done.

Government Report Answers Who Lives, Who Dies: nursinglink.monster.com...

Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding whom to let die.

Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.

The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.

The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego, California, and lead writer of the task force report.

The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources -- including ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses -- are used in a uniform, objective way, task force members said.

Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest Physicians.

"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.

To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

• People older than 85.

• Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

• Severely burned patients older than 60.

• Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

• Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.

Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."

The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.

If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."

James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the suggestions.

He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.

Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most detailed one I have seen from a professional group."

While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley said.

Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for everyone."

That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time before such a health care disaster hits, she said.

"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by surprise. We didn't even know it existed."

The Associated Press


Actually I think the Health Care bill will be used to force us into accepting implanted RFID tags. Want to travel? - RFID tag,
Want Health Care - RFID tag Insurers Study Implanting RFID Chips in Patients

They are even trying to force us into a cashless society so
Want to eat - RFID tag



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