reply to post by speculativeoptimist
The OUTRAGE at the "Death Panels" was crocodile tears to begin with. I've been trying to understand Conservative Republicans for a long time -- and
I think it's that it has to come down to their RELIGIOUS indoctrination. They went to a church that nobody enjoyed. And listened to people say
"LOVE" and then speak of a God who punished people for eternity. It is saying one thing while doing another. YOU care because you care enough to
I didn't understand that until after I'd seen about 25 "good Christian girls" go to bed with the first guy to say "I'll love you forever and
let's pray." And then get them in the sack. It's all about caring enough to lie -- not saying; "hey, let's get to know each other before you try
and save my soul, OK?" I didn't have the foreplay down right.
>> The IMPORTANT thing to get on the psychopathology -- I think, of American Christianists, is to get that they HATE Liberals. They hate not being
able to lynch the bad people and they really DO THINK, that most problems can be solved by shooting a bunch of bad guys. Now, I've known a lot of
self-sacrificing, religious conservatives, but I didn't know any that didn't have a screw loose. When Sean Hannity had a "debate" with Allan
Cohlms -- he didn't have to WIN the discussion, he merely had to look more manly and give that smug, sad "I'll pray for your soul" look. It's all
the "words don't matter -- look at my disdain" code. I've seen about a thousand times when I misspoke a turn of phrase and seen that "you aren't
one of us" look. If I don't blame sinners and have too much compassion, if I think that some people have BAD LUCK -- and it's not DESERVED -- it's
a dead giveaway.
The thing freaking out the Conservatives on losing jobs, is not -- I've been forsaken by the American Corporations who took our tax breaks to build
manufacturing overseas -- it's "where is the Hippy who did this to me?"
What they Christianists say about the enemy -- is really their own hidden desire. They needed to believe that every terrorist tortured was hiding a
nuke -- because they really need a reason for torture. It's the ENDS they want, and they merely have to have a thin veneer of "piousness" to allow
them to do it. I saw a chilling show once on Evangelicals -- and I've LIVED with them many years -- they WANT armageddon. Who the heck would think
provoking a war in the Middle East would bring back Jesus? Someone who obviously thinks that Jesus wants to grab a machine gun and start shooting
Bin Laden didn't hate America for it's freedoms - the Christianists did. And when they say that we had to get the ter'rists because they'd chop
your head off or torture you -- it's really what THEY would do. Liberals figure we can talk to the enemy, because we believe most people are good --
and Conservatives fear that what lurks behind the enemies eyes is what is in their own hearts.
>> You cannot DISCUSS and change minds with some people, unless you are in control. Power is what Conservatives respect. They worship a Red-Robed guy
who sneaks into homes and brings presents, and they ignore someone who lived like a homeless man and never pushed violence. I'm not religious in the
least -- but it's pretty clear to me that the apostle who MOST BELIEVED IN JESUS was Judas -- his betrayal was not pointing him out to the Romans. He
was sure that Jesus would bring the wrath of God down on the romans and rescue his son. In the public square, it was not a common thief that Pontius
Pilot gave the people a choice between; it was a peacemaker and a well-known rabble rouser. What he heck is wrong with a group of people who read
"peace, peace, love, love, share, share" and then act like greedy, whiney, selfish bastards? If they can't get their own philosophy right -- with a
million and one churches and priests in this country, then it isn't by any accident.
>> The Christianists were told to hate Clinton. And they were not outraged at his behavior -- they only wanted to win. Their leaders had the Pious
look and sneer, and they gave a wink. They cared enough to lie and they showed power. You can't believe that anyone with love in their hearts and a
clear head wouldn't figure out that Pat Robertson is a crook, can you? He looks like and acts like an abuser -- an pharisees. AND THAT is why he has
Speak of love, and sneer and ask for someone to be assassinated -- and include some references to people being killed by the weather because they were
Gay. It isn't GAYNESS that is hated -- it's people living without shame or FEAR who are hated. I mean, how many boy-loving religious leaders and
Republicans have to be outed for it to start to SINK IN, that they demonize all the crap that THEY DO?
This illness is NOT only a problem in the US. In Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia -- where you can get stoned for uncovered hair or getting raped, it's
common to molest children. It's MEN LOVING each other that is frowned upon -- NOT THE ABUSE. Equality and love is evil. And if you really want to
have a lot of sin to enjoy, you have to be a religious leader or political leader. Anyone, who steps out of line and promotes compassion or
understanding or justice -- well, that person gets outed.
>> Religions are designed by oppressors who do not believe in an afterlife to gain control. There aren't many wars on this planet that don't have
"faithful" involved, don't have the people making money on the drugs making sure they are illegal, that don't have someone making a buck because
someone is starving. Nobody clings to life more than an Evangelical Preacher.