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Originally posted by NIcon
Shouldn't we be concerned about the incompetence and bureaucratic infighting of the investigation, too?
Originally posted by Nutter
The only reason there is no evidence is because it wasn't looked for. And no, I'm not one of those suckers. Nice ad hom by the way.
Originally posted by Nutter
At least it would be a thorough investigation then. Unlike the CGI investigation that NIST performed.
Originally posted by FDNY343
The guys at Fresh Kills weren't looking for money, but $78,318.47 was recovered.
Recovery is a traveling exhibition that documents the
historic project at the Fresh Kills Landfill that was in
operation from September 2001 to July 2002 to
recover human remains, personal objects, and material
evidence from the collapse of the World Trade Center.
So were aprox. 4,000 personal photographs.
www.nysm.nysed.gov...
Thermite leaves big, bold evidence that can be seen with the naked eye.
Science: Some Truthers claim that pulverized dust found by some New Yorkers after the attack contained the chemical signature of thermite. Scientists assert that even if this dust did contain thermite, it would be impossible to determine whether the thermite came from a controlled demolition or simply from the melting of the airplanes. EMRTC designed an experiment to see if thermite was a plausible option in the collapse of the towers. The thermite in the test was not even able to melt a column much smaller than those in the World Trade Center.
I wonder why all those members of the ATF, FBI, etc. that were there never noticed this?
You consider doing lab experiments with scale portions of trusses "CGI"? Cool. Sorry about your misconception.
Originally posted by curious7
I may not venture into the 9/11 section much because I believe Truthers in particular will find a conspiracy in everything and argue a fact as a cover up or disinfo but I had to just to check the video.
Looks good, nice recreation but again, if you look hard enough you'll find your wild theories in practically anything.
Originally posted by FDNY343
Originally posted by bsbray11
FEMA appendix C, iron in the steel was melted at temperatures higher than open-atmosphere fires could accomplish,
Incorrect. Open atmosphere fires can and will burn very very hot. Many over 1800 deg. F.
so oxygen-starved fires would not be able to do it either.
Strawman. None of the fires were "oxygen-starved". I don't know where you get this idea.
It would have to be something burning that didn't require oxygen, and that's just the temperature requirements, not even considering trying to match the rest of the evidence in FEMA app. C.
EVERYTHING that burns requires oxygen to burn. EVERYTHING. Without oxygen, it will NOT burn.
Thanks for the note about insulation not creating heat. That is always good to know. Underground fires burn slowly because of oxygen starvation and such fires are reducing in nature, as I explained previously. The slow combustion keeps things hot for a long period of time based on the fuel available. This is why the rubble was hot for many weeks after the collapse and not because of therm*te reacting, as some would like to believe.
You really need to read the paper from WPI professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr.
Here is a simple link.
www.wpi.edu...
Originally posted by pteridine
What did Jeff-the-physicist say?
Originally posted by Wildbob77
There surely would be some photos that would show something that could be a thermite holder shouldn't there
Originally posted by pteridine
Remember when I told you that at about 400-500 C, CaSO4 can be reduced to CaS in a reducing atmosphere? Jeff didn't know it either. How about a reaction of CaSO4 with Fe as a reducing agent? Reaction of H2S with the steel? Reaction of SO2 or SO3 with the steel?
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by Wildbob77
There surely would be some photos that would show something that could be a thermite holder shouldn't there
Well seeing as most of the stuff inside the towers were never found, including more than half the bodies, steel floor pans, concrete etc., etc., etc., I would say no.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by pteridine
Remember when I told you that at about 400-500 C, CaSO4 can be reduced to CaS in a reducing atmosphere? Jeff didn't know it either. How about a reaction of CaSO4 with Fe as a reducing agent? Reaction of H2S with the steel? Reaction of SO2 or SO3 with the steel?
You're not paying attention. The steel with molten iron had been heated to the region of 1000 C. Even getting sulfur at 400-500 C through your speculative reactions will not go any further in explaining how that could have resulted in the samples, without you having to make up a bunch more coincidental theories of how cakes will magically create themselves out of the ingredients by themselves in the right environment.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by pteridine
Remember when I told you that at about 400-500 C, CaSO4 can be reduced to CaS in a reducing atmosphere? Jeff didn't know it either. How about a reaction of CaSO4 with Fe as a reducing agent? Reaction of H2S with the steel? Reaction of SO2 or SO3 with the steel?
You're not paying attention. The steel with molten iron had been heated to the region of 1000 C. Even getting sulfur at 400-500 C through your speculative reactions will not go any further in explaining how that could have resulted in the samples, without you having to make up a bunch more coincidental theories of how cakes will magically create themselves out of the ingredients by themselves in the right environment.
Originally posted by pteridine
It would seem that fire is the only possibility for long term heat as thermite containing materials would have readily reacted and cooled.
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by pteridine
It would seem that fire is the only possibility for long term heat as thermite containing materials would have readily reacted and cooled.
Let's see.
Fire gets burried, insulated and burned other materials for weeks to months.
Thermitic material while on fire gets burried, insulated and burned other materials for weeks to months.
Yup. There's NO WAY that thermite could do that. It HAD to be fire.
Oh wait, thermite produces fire.