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Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
In the greatest society there must be places, by law or decree, that must accept some of the most deviant of behaviors, and that there should be other that demand the most strict and rigid of behavior.
The greatest society is one in which all men are free to do whatever it is they want to do, as long as whatever it is they are doing is not harming others or damaging their property.
There are those who wish to damage others or their property, or at least do not care. They go well with others that share that attitude. Why deprive them of their liberties?
Do we need to ban the fight clubs where all participants are willing?
Looks like I won this round if that's the best you have to offer.
Originally posted by shiman
reply to post by mnemeth1
I completely disagree with this statement and will compile a counter-argument. But for now, i will say HEY! Why not legalize psychopaths to carry around Automatic Weapons around with them at all times! It's not like they know how to use them.
By using statistics I can show how people who are sober are more likely to be in and cause a fatal accident than someone under the influence. So by that logic, we should make everyone drive under the influence to cut down on fatalities.
Most drivers who have had something to drink have low blood alcohol content or concentration (BAC) and few are involved Princess Diana's car crash photoin fatal crashes. On the other hand, while only a few drivers have BACs higher than .15, a much higher proportion of those drivers have fatal crashes.
* The average BAC among fatally injured drinking drivers is .16 1
* The relative risk of death for drivers in single-vehicle crashes with a high BAC is 385 times that of a zero-BAC driver and for male drivers the risk is 707 times that of a sober driver, according to estimates by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). 2
Whatever the individual variations, there is an established sequence of symptoms which correspond to different degrees of intoxication. The first mental processes to be affected are those connected with training or previous experience. One skill impaired at the initial stages of intoxication is driving ability, particularly for individuals who have not been driving very long. After a few more drinks, the ability to perform familiar and habitual tasks requiring relatively little thought, attention or skill is impaired. At this stage, you may find you have to concentrate on opening a bottle of wine. Simply moving around in a crowd of people at a party may require your full attention. You may drop things and conversations may be difficult to follow. As the alcohol level rises in the blood, muscular coordination is further affected and basic reflexes become progressively depressed. There is reduced hand steadiness, difficulty in standing and emotional outbursts. The drinker may become aggressive or hostile. Beyond this stage, the drinker risks falling into a stupor and eventual coma. If the coma persists for more than 10 hours, a person usually dies of asphyxiation due to paralysis of the respiratory center of the brain. Alcohol poisoning usually occurs at BAC's above 400-mg%.
Tracking, or steering, is a relatively difficult psychomotor task. The driver must maintain the vehicle within the lane limits and in the correct direction while monitoring the driving environment for other important information. Unlike simpler psychomotor skills, the ability to steer a vehicle is impaired at low BACs (Drew et al. 1959; Hamilton and Copeman 1970; Linnoila et al. 1980).
Alcohol slows the rate of information processing by the brain. This effect has been noted on many different kinds of tasks even at the lowest BACs (Kobayashi 1975; Moskowitz and Burns 1971; Moskowitz and Murray 1976; Attwood 1978). For example, a moderate alcohol dose (0.52 g alcohol/kg body weight) slowed subjects whose only task was to respond with the names of familiar, visually displayed objects (Moskowitz and Roth 1971). If there are two or more stimuli and if several responses are possible, response times lengthen significantly (Boyd et al. 1962; Evans et al. 1974; Mortimer and Sturgis 1975; Linnoila et al. 1980; Palva et al. 1982; Antebi 1982). More complex tasks are even more severely degraded by alcohol.
mnemeth1:
Is the public made more safe? Obviously the law does next to nothing to deter drunk driving. Just like drug laws and gun laws, DUI laws are another form of “pre-crime.” They are laws that attempt to prevent actual crime (hurting someone) from occurring.
Originally posted by whatukno
Here's how it would look in the OP's world.
Officers reported seeing Joe Drunk swerving all over the road firing a gun out of his window, and chugging on a 40 at 10:00 AM, and again at 11:30, unable to stop Joe Drunk for the erratic driving because, well, he wasn't hurting anyone so it was all ok, Joe Drunk proceeded to plow into John and Jane Doe's minivan killing John, Jane, and their 5 year old son Jimmy Doe. The police were then able to arrest Joe Drunk for vehicular manslaughter.
Oh if there were only some way to prevent such tragedies from happening in the first place.