reply to post by backinblack
Even Clinton has admitted the wars were a MISTAKE...
I thought anyone who makes it into office was corrupt and evil. How do you know this whole: "The wars were a mistake" drama is not part of their
plan to lead you astray?
TPTB have absolute control - this drama over the wars is but another of their tools to delude you.
(Not that I believe in "TPTB" - but that doesn't mean I can't argue).
Those people have more opportunities now than they know what to do with. Just like when I went to Korea - I formed a bond with those people, and I
have kind of 'adopted' them as people I would be willing to put my life on the line for. It's the same way with the soldiers going to Iraq and
Afghanistan. No one in the military really gives a damned about either of the Clintons.
No one would argue that the US is or is heading towards a police state..
You just need to see the way peacefull protesters are treated or how defenceless children,elderly and dissabled people are tasered by police..
Sources? I've seen how peaceful protesters are treated. Two uniformed police show up and are immediately verbally and physically assaulted by the
protesters for "attempting to stifle free speech."
Let me give you a perspective. In the Republic of Korea (South Korea), protests are registered with the government. Any demonstrations occurring
without government approval are shut down. Each demonstration is registered for a certain time and a certain number of people. The police show up
one-for-one with the registered number of demonstrators. It is not uncommon to have protests registered in the hundreds and thousands.
The first year I went to Korea - there was a demonstration outside the gates of the small U.S. Navy base. Some 800 students were registered to
demonstrate and protest U.S. presence in Korea (this was back in '08, prior to the more recent incidents that have practically inverted opinion).
Only some 50 showed up, for whatever reasons. The police were bussed in and just sat, chilling out, as the demonstrators did their little thing and
went home. No one was suppressed.
America couldn't tolerate it. Americans are very childish in their view of governments and agencies. The Cold War really messed with our collective
heads. You place all of the power of the government and "TPTB" into any and every uniformed officer and government employee you see - much like a
child places the power of God into his/her parents, teachers, and childhood idols.
A few police show up in the event a few hundred people decide to riot (which tends to happen amongst peace rallies), and suddenly you are being
oppressed because you can't handle the simple concept of presence. It would be cute if it weren't such a massive portion of our socio-political
Elderly people being tazered? How else do you deal with an insubordinate or downright hostile elderly person? Beat them, where you could easily
shatter multiple bones in their body? Shoot them? I'm sure that'd make awesome headlines. Grapple with them? Again - same problem as beating
them. The tazer actually poses the least health risks in pretty much every case where one would be used.
As for not taking guns, ask the peacefull homeowners during Katrina about how that idea works..
This is a blurry-line situation. Burglary was rampant, and there were literally warlords running around with what could only be described as
paramilitary combat units.
I do not have all the information, and I was not there - I cannot say whether or not I would have agreed or disagreed with the situation. Ideally - I
would disagree with the entire premise; an armed normal citizen is about as good as an armed sentry on my side.
However - many of the "normal" and "peaceful" people had already left. This is a tough and isolated decision - however, a number of people did
disagree with it: www.examiner.com...
The only footage I have seen of the events in question shows door-to-door searches of vacant residences. The soldiers knock on the door to make their
presence known to people who may still be there. I am not entirely sure what the orders were - but I would have collected firearms from abandoned
residences to keep them out of the hands of criminals. www.claytoncramer.com...
The order came from the state level (the only ones who can directly order the national guard) and resulted in a number of legal repercussions that
have, more or less, established the precedent that it will not be tolerated in the future.
It is my observation that the whole scenario was blown out of proportion. The difference between post-Katrina New Orleans and any functional city in
the U.S. is the difference between Egypt and Rome. I suppose one could argue: "Well, wouldn't it be convenient if this happened all across the
U.S.?" Not really - considering it would effectively trigger a continental apocalypse.
I thank you for your reply but I still don't see any true action by the Oathkeepers and I have been hearing about them for years..
As I said - only 2% of the population are eligible for military service - even eligible to take the oath. "We" could take action - but it would
have to be fairly extreme action and effectively be us imposing our will on the nation as a whole. That's called an oligarchy.
"We" could put an end to the national government - force a complete reboot of all elected and appointed seats, as well as seriously disrupt both
political parties and their leadership. The special forces learned a special type of warfare for bringing down social networks (like political
parties) for use against AQ - and a number of them get out of the service and train the militia units.
It could be done.
Then what? Who fills the void, makes the decisions, decides how things are going to proceed from there? The "OathKeepers?" What about the people
who are opposed - quite violently - to that degree of change? Round them up into camps, confiscate their guns?
The job of the "OathKeepers" is that of a vanguard. We are not supposed to act as overlords. We are the failsafe. Our job is to bounce the ball
back into play, rather than steer it around the court.
BTW I'm in Australia but we seem to follow US policy or sometimes they try it on us first, as with gun confiscation....
It's the other way around. America is one big tourist and buys into import government policies like it buys into import chocolate. Again - it's
almost cute if it weren't the cause of some serious problems.