Wikileaks: Stop Us? You'll Have to Shut Down the Web

reply to post by gringoboy

you don`t seriously think the military does`nt have its own infrastructure to function seperate from ,landline methods.They are really not as inadequate as you would believe..
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I always assumed this to be true. I know hey won't be caught without communications, at least not the ones who are in control.

reply to post by gringoboy


Actually, I know for a fact they don't. While the have the ability to operate locally they share lines and trunks with civilian infrastructure. If they unplug the net the military is also left in the dark. They will still have some forms of communication, but they will be hurt logistically.

While they may have the technology to allow them to operate unhampered, that doesn't mean some 4 Star is going to ok the new budget that reshapes the current infrastructure by rolling out new protocols and duplicate civilian efforts.

On top of that, shutting it down would just lead to an uprising we haven't seen since the French Revolution. It would kill the economy and it would bring the nations of the world down upon our heads.

I really think that people are seeing boogeymen that don't exist...

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
reply to post by gringoboy

 

On top of that, shutting it down would just lead to an uprising we haven't seen since the French Revolution. It would kill the economy and it would bring the nations of the world down upon our heads.

I've seen gas stations in Canada that didn't work when the internet went down. So much is reliant on it these days. Banking, global trade, business, even some delivery systems to get food, and other items out to the people.

I was told that the whole wikileaks ordeal was just a thermometer, to gauge the populaces reactions towards several key issues, the overall reaction is somewhat positive.

Its positive in the way it was perceived, you see, the idea of sovereignty, international law, borders and the like are just for us the little people, the world hasn't reacted in the way any sane person would react if you knew that the friendly neighbor has bugged your house, slept with your wife and daughter and drafted your son to fight foreign wars.

Imagine, a scandal of this proportions would have set off wars in the past, nukes would be flying and guns selling like crazy, but instead it has turned into a media craze on "confidentiality", "supposed rapists" and dirty clothes.

Its all the same, the so called NWO has been working since time immemorial, fact is the common simple folk don't give a damn, and haven't given much thought about things for the past 4000 years, they just want their celebrity gossip, their sex and drugs, and everything else can just go up in flames.

This thermometer points that the temperature is on the subs zeros, human hearts have frozen, human souls are lost, we haven't realized that its not a matter of one country vs others, of us vs them, its a matter of time, when finally human stupidity catches up and eradicates "reality" again.

Insidious as it may seem the next generation of internet two is tested by military strategists and run by seperate satellite function proxy`s before we the general populace get functional use.47 trillion pays for a lot of sats,we are after all talking about freedom,but freedom comes at a price and the internet is not free from that price.theres more money to be made and more gates to man.Its a brave new world.

reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet

This thermometer points that the temperature is on the subs zeros, human hearts have frozen, human souls are lost, we haven't realized that its not a matter of one country vs others, of us vs them, its a matter of time, when finally human stupidity catches up and eradicates "reality" again.

I think you may be right. If so, we are just waiting for the inevitable. How pitiful.

Well hopefully it doesn't get too bad... I only say that because it might fall right into Obama's: Cybersecurity Act of 2010. which has been revised by Sen. Jay Rockefeller.

The new revision stripped Obama of "Internet Killswitch" but replaced it with a "Response & Restoration plan." Whatever that means.... So after the president declares a cybersecurity emergency, he can activate a "response and restoration plan" involving networks owned and operated by the private sector.

Cybersecurity Act of 2010
No Internet killswitch for Obama

Oh the delicious irony cake , full of memerals and vitamin lulz. TPTB are hoisted by their own petard!

I had similar fears but when you think about it, what exactly would shutting the net down constitute. Just America? the entire world?... no matter how much of it they shut down the impact and total civilian out cry would make any problem with Wikileaks look like a storm in a tea cup...

Image the entire MMO community of gamers in the western world suddenly deprived of their online entertainment of choice... it would not be pretty (being an avid ex-player of MMOs myself I know what id do if suddenly I couldnt play WoW or DaoC at least a few hours every night). Huge groups of people who are normally on the fence or completely uninterested in this sort of thing would suddenly become very very active.

Shutting the Net would be complete suicide for those that did so. And if they attempted to say its for your own good or we must for national security virtually everyone would turn around and tell them to step off... it would definitely permanently paint them in a bad way.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What they will do is Licencing.

You will have to get a licence to make or own a website.

All web users will have to get a licence.

Anonymous profiles will become a thing of the past, etc.

Certain topics will become illegal, for example right now child porn is illegal already. More things will be added to that list, etc.

I am just shooting from the hip here, it's just a guess.

But a good one.

Point is, through licencing and stiff regulations, Businesses can keep their $$$ flowing, while at the same time free-speech is enormously hampered. Win-Win.

edit on 8-12-2010 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

This is nothing new. It's waht they've been planning for a long time...and we all know that when they want to implement it, they will. They didn't need Wikileaks and worldwide political embarrassment to do so.

They wont shut down the internet...

If they do, imagine all the... ah nvm. Just look up 'Greatest freak-out ever.' when this kids mother took away his internet.

Now multiply that by the online population...



On a serious note, there is too much investment in the WWW to ever shut it down. That would send the world back into stone age. It is MAD. Mutual Assured destruction.

reply to post by Smack


Certainly looks that way,for months nothing of significance in the news then whammy,the think tank just exploded._javascript:icon('')

reply to post by BigfootNZ


They would do nothing but sit tight waiting in line for the slaughter like all of us.
If they got tied up with something as ethereal as a MMO, then there wasn't much to begin with, those were the first to go.

It seems to me, that we haven't realized what all of this means.

You see, if one had the info they say they have and wanted to really kick the stools legs, then they would have released ALL of the info at the same time, flooding the world in secrets, not just fooling around taunting, clearly putting pressure more than looking for the eventual freedoms they preach...

reply to post by snowspirit


what a better way to make populaces appreciate what they have by making them believe that all the infrastructure of very dangerous hardware militarily would just stop,seriously,think about it from nuclear defence,do they rely on the internet.Infact does anyone really believe there is no backup,do you not backup your own PC.Theres allways a backup.

reply to post by gringoboy


No, there is no "back up". You think the military is far more mighty than it really is.

I know that doesn't fit into your wold view so you'll probably ignore this reply to you as well, but I'm giving it a shot.

They have some stuff in faraday cages and what not. But the vast majority of it is just gonna get fried in the event of an EMP. What the military has in theory and what is actually implemented are two totally different things. In the area you are talking about America is no where near where countries like China are.

Cybercom is being propped up now. You know what spurred the creation of it, yeah? China. Know why? Because our military networks were getting pwned all day long every day.

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

This is exactly what I am hoping for. Even if all this was intended to shut down people seeking for the truth, if it accomplishes a mass awakening of all the doped-up zombies that receive their life from the MSM it will be a kick in the pants for the ones who planned it!

I'm afraid all these ZOMBIES you refer too will simply be told "its in our countries national security because Osama Bin Laden is in talks with Wikileaks and another 9/11 could occur and Iran look like they have nukes, so we had to shut down the internet to protect your freedom because we will triumph over these terrorists...Blah blah blah blah"

Thats all they need to say if the shut it down and all these ZOMBIES will accept it and carry on watching their reality shows, drinking tea, working and going out to get wasted every weekend...

People wont wake up through any human means unless they are meant too because of 1 simple reason...

Why the hell would the rich people who use all of us want to stop being rich and live the high life????

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


Good point but there is still something insidious about the whole Assange thing,just watch they`ll be meetings being conveined to address consumer internet provider useability,guaranteed.thinktanks have probably already worked out their strategy for control of internet domination

reply to post by gringoboy


The Assange thing, maybe true. I don't know.

What I do know is that as far as internet controls go they'll be abut as successful as stopping pirating. It'll always be there in the "technological underground". If they actually deprive people access to blogs, social networking, porn, etc. than you are going to have a lot of unhappy people around who can't escape the world around them. This is a recipe for disaster and the establishment is biting off more than it can chew, in my opinion.

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by wcitizen

 

See, I tend to agree with this. too. I don't think it is possible. But what is the purpose in all the documents released? There doesn't really seem to be anything that damaging in it, just really embarassing. Although, I acn see the effect of the MSM on those who get all their news there. My own elderly parents watch FOX, and on first hearing what was being said, were all: " Try Assange for treason!". That is what the unawakened are saying
all over America. My parents listened to me when I explained what the docs are really all about, but most people don't have someone to show them the truth.

Yes, this is the problem. The mind conditioning is so strong. This is also why we can't rely on the people alone to unite against this tyranny and take it down, and this is how they manage to get away with what they are doing.

I think the purpose of the leaks is to keep disrupting the communication systems which support the secrecy which is vital for the survival of the secret government. This is creating a paranoia in TPTB because they know they have much worse secrets to be exposed, and they are absolutely terrified of leaks. They will be going into security lockdown with regard to the way they communicate the darkest and most criminal aspects of their agendas, and this will cause disruption in their functionality. The content of the leaks is secondary - as long as it exposes them and embarrasses them enough and exposes some of their crimes enough, it serves its purpose. Assange says, in this respect, all leaks are good leaks.

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


I agree in principal but they are definetly using Assange as a vehicle to manipulate public opinion to agree to some punative measures,people better watch whats being pedalled it may eventually affect all of our free right to surf and Assange is doing a great job of it.what he hopes to gain in the long run,really think about it?