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Wikileaks: Stop Us? You'll Have to Shut Down the Web

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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by gringoboy
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I agree in principal but they are definetly using Assange as a vehicle to manipulate public opinion to agree to some punative measures,people better watch whats being pedalled it may eventually affect all of our free right to surf and Assange is doing a great job of it.what he hopes to gain in the long run,really think about it?


Yes, of course, ..that's what they always do. No matter what happens they will try to spin it and use it their own agenda and take advantage of it. The alternative seems to be do nothing and let them kill us all!

The point that most people seem to be missing is that there is a real opportunity here, now, to stand up to them when they do try to use it and say NO. I mean, there won't be the opportunity to use the web and surf once people are in FEMA camps anyway - so the threat to the internet in the slightly longer perspective becomes a moot point!

People seem to be angry that Wikileaks hasn't released the kind of information which would have brought their government down without them making any effort themselves...and that is just not realistic, or indeed fair.
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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Honestly, I think he is trying to force the state to take those steps. Not because he's part of the plan for world domination, but because historically that's how you created a revolution. Look at everything Che ever did, isn't Assange doing the internet equivalent?

Once the state steps in, and we all know they will, the people will then begin speaking out. The state will step up their game in that area and we have ourselves a violent revolution in the making. In theory anyway.

As long as he can force the worlds governments to cack down on him than he can create a global movement that can't be stopped.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
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Actually, I know for a fact they don't. While the have the ability to operate locally they share lines and trunks with civilian infrastructure. If they unplug the net the military is also left in the dark. They will still have some forms of communication, but they will be hurt logistically.

While they may have the technology to allow them to operate unhampered, that doesn't mean some 4 Star is going to ok the new budget that reshapes the current infrastructure by rolling out new protocols and duplicate civilian efforts.

On top of that, shutting it down would just lead to an uprising we haven't seen since the French Revolution. It would kill the economy and it would bring the nations of the world down upon our heads.

I really think that people are seeing boogeymen that don't exist...


I tend to agree - there's a lot of fear triggered by the MSM and scaremongerers on here, and people have been programmed to respond with fear. Fear is really our greatest enemy in this situation. Fear prevents logical and rational thinking processes, and creates 'bogeymen' as you describe. It takes us out of 'creative solution' mode into 'survival lockdown' mode.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Thats what i am saying in intelligience circles theres allways a flipside to the coin that can be used to their advantage,so either way its insidious and either way will start some kind of movement,just it won`t be a public movement but government and corporate injuction globally,all countries are involved here,all these countries will be inflicting their opinion on these events and since globally they hold the purse strings, cause and affect..



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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I think you are forgetting the part where the people over throw their governments because they don't like being told what they can and can't surf....

The state doesn't just crack down and get away with it in first world nations. Look at Greece, now add the fact that the internet is controlled. Think about it.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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For sure. I don't see why people are scared that the state is just going to get away with whatever it wants. History has never shown that to be true. They can try it, but at the end of the day the people eventually get pissed off enough to do something about it.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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yeah this does create fear and pessimism but thats the reason,terror is old news now ,so whammy Assange.
I hate to be the Assanginator but I really don`t see what he intends to gain,certainly not world domination not unless we`ve all to believe in terminator and assange is Mr connor.Reality is hard to except but agendas are`nt.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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I think you are exactly right - tightening the noose on the co-conspirators. Julian laid it all out in his paper on conspiracies and how to break them.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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lol.. wouldn't be hard the military can use its own internet we have had it for years.. if they shut down the internet it wouldn't bug us.. except no more porn lol.. and as for shutting wikileaks down.. easy really easy.. I know how they can and most probable do it. all they have to do is locate the five or six men and make them go away start shutting down any one who supports them and any one with the files on their computer go to jail.. altho I still think the crap in the files is a bluff by wikileaks.. don't get me wrong it might be real just not that important..



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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So many people on this thread are constantly talking about the power the government has - whilst remaining completel oblivious of the power they themselves have. C'mon guys...



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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It doesnt really matter whether hes a nwo puppet or a true human with good intentions, maybe he is. but i'm seeing a lot of events occur in the past couple of weeks, interesting events at that. the way i look at it the world is changing quicker than ever. it could just be me, but it feels just like 2 days ago when the wikileaks cables were released. point being is that big events are happening through out the world and i think wikileaks is being used as a cover story.

if assange is part of the new plan then my theory would be that the elites want a way to create political chaos throughout the world, those leaks are best for such agenda, they're aim is to destroy diplomatic relations between nations, and its working thats all i can say. if you want chaos in the streets then start censoring the internet. i'm pretty sure no one is going to like that.

I'm keeping an eye on this topic, but north korea is a priority at this moment. with those guys its really on the brink of war. NK - - disputed waters - - SK. this thing happened because of the exercises in the disputed waters, now SK wants to try again this week. they're really asking for it war...



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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so civil unrest is the answer ,there was a time when the web did`nt exsist and yes so much depends on it ,well I wonder will humanity survive without it as everyone believes.I don`t agree what governments get up too but their upto something.Definetly a alternative reason to disconnect the net as a test run for a more clandestine operation probably a military operation that may involve nukes.Its not paranoia but global events all countries need to be seen to have agreed ,were talking history book stuff here.enough said.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Bingo you said it ,right on the money



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by gringoboy
reply to post by wcitizen
 


yeah this does create fear and pessimism but thats the reason,terror is old news now ,so whammy Assange.
I hate to be the Assanginator but I really don`t see what he intends to gain,certainly not world domination not unless we`ve all to believe in terminator and assange is Mr connor.Reality is hard to except but agendas are`nt.


I honestly don't think that logic holds to scrutiny. You are responsible for caving into fear, not Assange, lol! Assange is scaring the life out of TPTB, why not rejoice!

I am starting to think that for many, staying stuck in a conspiracy theory and blaming others constantly is a way of staying in the compfortable space of apathy and inaction.
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posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by gringoboy
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so civil unrest is the answer ,there was a time when the web did`nt exsist and yes so much depends on it ,well I wonder will humanity survive without it as everyone believes.I don`t agree what governments get up too but their upto something.Definetly a alternative reason to disconnect the net as a test run for a more clandestine operation probably a military operation that may involve nukes.Its not paranoia but global events all countries need to be seen to have agreed ,were talking history book stuff here.enough said.


I honestly think the most important thing is that people start to get out of this state of constant fear - it seems anything and everything triggers fear. Yes, these are all possibilities, but they are only imagined possibilities, and there are many, many other much more positive ones which are equally possible. You are the one who chooses to believe the negative ones...and thus you create your own fear....with a little help from the fearmongering of the MSM and the government's present state of hysteria.

They want people to remain in a state of fear, and you are obedienty obliging. Each one of us, if we do nothing else, can take on responsibility for ourselves and do what we need to do to get out of this perpetural fear state.

The fear which has been expressed on ATS since these leaks occured has been astounding.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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I don`t rejoice in deception especially when an attack is imminent,confusing your opponent is top priority all soldiers know this,there was alot of confusion before world wars and allways something obscure initiated it,however in todays climate world war is not the issue but global safety is and that seems to be the agenda ,not fear but deception for protection.test firing down of missiles has been going on for months.assange is a detraction for a larger purpose.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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I have to admit...what is happening is pretty crazy. I'm just wondering what the "BIG ONE" will be.

What will be the grand finale of info that comes out???

I hope it's something that will change the world for the better....but in this day and age it's hard to be optimistic for that.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by RizeorDie
It doesnt really matter whether hes a nwo puppet or a true human with good intentions, maybe he is. but i'm seeing a lot of events occur in the past couple of weeks, interesting events at that. the way i look at it the world is changing quicker than ever. it could just be me, but it feels just like 2 days ago when the wikileaks cables were released. point being is that big events are happening through out the world and i think wikileaks is being used as a cover story.

if assange is part of the new plan then my theory would be that the elites want a way to create political chaos throughout the world, those leaks are best for such agenda, they're aim is to destroy diplomatic relations between nations, and its working thats all i can say. if you want chaos in the streets then start censoring the internet. i'm pretty sure no one is going to like that.

I'm keeping an eye on this topic, but north korea is a priority at this moment. with those guys its really on the brink of war. NK - - disputed waters - - SK. this thing happened because of the exercises in the disputed waters, now SK wants to try again this week. they're really asking for it war...


TPTB wil use anything to distract that from news they don't want to get out. They have been exposed and seriously embarrassed by the WL leaks...and have had to respond because of its international scope. This doesn't mean WL is created by them, IMO that's a nonsense seeing the damage it is doing to them. But yes, of course they will take advantage of anything in the news to divert attention away from something else.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
I have to admit...what is happening is pretty crazy. I'm just wondering what the "BIG ONE" will be.

What will be the grand finale of info that comes out???

I hope it's something that will change the world for the better....but in this day and age it's hard to be optimistic for that.


What would be the grand finale that you would wish for? In what way do you believe a big finale will change the world for the better?

ps. I believe WL is already changing the world for the better, but I'm curious to better understand what you mean.



posted on Dec, 8 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Take a rest here and Come in ,said the spider to the fly. The INTER- NET (the inner net) WEB was designed as so to do such a thing and has done it soooo well. OH YOU POOR LITTLE FLIES. Squirm, but you have no place to go.



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