Let all just get MAD as hell !!

I have spent a lot of time posting in the political madness forum and today I have come to the conclusion that most of us actually agree... Something is wrong.

We are all so busy looking for others that share our point of view that we do not see most of us already agree, something is wrong and we need to do something about it!
The problem is none of us can agree one what is wrong and what we are going to do about it. This is where I believe TPTB have us trapped, I actually believe they create so much division that we are to afraid to ban together incase it is for the wrong cause and because other people's views differ slightly from ours.
Instead of taking what we all agree on and acting on that we are all trying to find a group that matches our views perfectly... and for most people that group does not exist.
In order for a group to really be successful in implementing the change that so many seek - the group must first hold the majority of people - if we are all trying to slot in to little groups then we can never form the group that makes change happen.

So after pondering this I have come to the conclusion that the man in this video was right - if we want change we all just have to agree to be in the "IM MAD AS HELL" group.
So if you are frustrated and angry, Mad as hell, I do not want to see replies saying what you want to change, lets all just agree on somthing for once, lets just agree that we are mad as hell and we want change, if we sit round figuring out what we want changed it will never happen.
ARE YOU MAD AS HELL?

Well you're probably pretty late for a good number of people on this site, but many newbies are freshly pissed off. I was about 1/2 step away from going postal a few years back, but have calmed down nicely into the mass idiocy and insanity which is surrounding us all. It's all around, it's here to stay, and we might as well get used to it.

Yes I am and I want to do something about it. I'm sick of pecking away on a keyboard trying to "wake" people up and I'm sick of continuing to report to work to support a government I do not support. So yes I'm mad but not too mad to give you a star and a flag. Found this one while ago kinda dated but I like the words.

Originally posted by unityemissions
Well you're probably pretty late for a good number of people on this site, but many newbies are freshly pissed off. I was about 1/2 step away from going postal a few years back, but have calmed down nicely into the mass idiocy and insanity which is surrounding us all. It's all around, it's here to stay, and we might as well get used to it.

You don't strike me as one who would retain such a defeatist attitude. Your position could be argued as that of a realist be even us realists must at times decide there is an idealistic cause worthy of getting physically involved in to change the status quo. If not, what is the point of going on unless you have made the determination to appreciate your servitude? Once you've taken the red pill, going back requires that you make a conscious effort to return to living with the blind.

How does one eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

HELL YEAH!!!! im with you 100%. we need to stand up and say something. no matter what the issue is we just need to let them know that some of us are awake and aren't their little sheep. We dont need to riot but we defiantly need to start protesting and getting on the mainstream media. So if anybody wants to help me plan a peaceful but mad as hell protest in Denver Colorado your more then welcome to help. even if you dont live in Denver i would love to hear your ideas.

I'M MAD AS HELL!

I'm tired of The System. Everything is wrong with it and it goes far beyond economics and politics. I want to have access to Organic food, without losing an arm and a leg paying for it. In fact, I don't think we should ever have to pay for food again, or shelter for that matter. It disgusts to see some of the richest countries in the world, passing bills that force its citizens to bend over for Corporations like Monsanto, General Electric, BP, Dow, McDonalds, and lets not forget all of those Bankers and Insurance Companies that legally steal from the people (interest %) and create Monopoly Money out of nothing.

We may not know what the REAL solution is, and guess what? It doesn't freaking matter. We just need to ALL go ApeSh# and flip the fuçh out until Order comes out of The Chaos.

People are gonna have to reach waaaay deep into their souls, and Let The Crazy Out.

Stop holding it in, now is not the time to be Anal Retentive.

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When I was younger I was more of an idealist than realist. In recent years, I've learned a lot about human nature which has tipped the balance to valuing the realistic over the ideal. I do have principals, ethics, and morals I'm willing to fight for. I just don't think it wise to fight, die, and be forgotten without really making a mark.

I do have faith in humanity. I have faith that we will rise again after we once again find the value of things like empathy, compassion, reason, truth, and the common good of man. It simply seems pretty obvious that before we recycle into this awareness, we must learn our lesson the hard way. I firmly believe we've passed the tipping point to fix things without fully collapsing first. Thus, the best to do in the meantime is to observe the madness, but not partake. Every cause but one seems frivolous. That is the cause to survive. All I'm concerned with atm, and a good part of that is being as unattached to the idiocy as possible. No good reason to fret over what can't be changed.

reply to post by unityemissions


As much as I hate your post, I think you're half right.
Never diminish the power of will and spirit/magick.

While I sometimes feel the urge to become angry, I always try to resist because I know TPTB are currently using many clever tactics to try and make people angry so they don't think as clearly.

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I'm all for will & spirit !! , but don't discount the sheer numbers of the masses. No amount of majik is going to miraculously bring us back from where we're currently at.

Ha, I don't know if this is against regulations or not, but earlier I posted this on another subject and it seems much more pertinent here then there.
And a star for you from every one of the 99% on ATS who love to hooray the idea of doing something, all the while flipping back and forth between here and facebook, maintaining a feeling of normalcy. I had to stop and ask myself just this week, what would I do if, and if, and if...And I am not afraid to admit, I was raised a suburbanite, and aside from some part deep within me making sure my children, as well as I, know how to can foods, make soap, and create items from those which are recycled I don't think I would stand a chance. I know my limits, and dearly hope I, nor anyone is pushed any time soon past theirs. This is not a time for any of us to pretend we are somehow subhuman. It is, in my opinion, a time to recognize our strengths, AND our weaknesses. We should not allow ourselves to be disillusioned into thinking we can overcome more than we are actually able. It is a time to know ourselves, and surround ourselves with those who are able to do that which we are not. I dearly hope, to all of my fellow ATS'ers, that you will take full stock of yourself, not pretend, and most importantly do not lie to yourself. There is where true unpreparedness lives. Actual disaster is much greater in real life, than that on paper, or t.v., ask anyone who has suffered through a natural disaster.

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I half agree. It is true that there are many problems in the world, and none of them will truly kill us all tomorrow (at least I hope they don't ). I too am a realist, and as such I know that much more thinking must be applied to any political decision than we are willing to do, and that as a result we will find ourselves with an angry mob at the ready to force us to fix immediate problems as the long term ones slowly rise up behind them. Unfortunetly I somewhat disagree with the get angry idea. I think it is the calm logical thought that we are resisting even in our resistance of the resistance through this get angry idea. Than again I have made it that personally I'm at my most logical state when I am enraged.

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I have a question for you and any others that are "mad as hell" Can you put in words how the world or the USA should work? I hear about what's wrong, but NO ONE says what would be right. I'm very interested in what you and others like you think is what should be right.

reply to post by amc621


Cake.

End corporate lobbying.

In fact, end representational governance.

The law was made before we had the tech to easily decide for ourselves. A system can be easily devised, and secured, so that we have the means to decide each step of our countries decisions, on a weekly basis.

End corporations being legally a "person". End the ability to so easily incorporate. Repeal NAFTA. Set up oversight for regulatory committee's by an independent source.

END THE FED!! We can print our own money, and allow the world to decide at what rate it should be printed and of what value the people's currency holds.

End all the taxes which don't benefit the people.

Dismantle the NSA & CIA. They serve their masters, which don't serve the people of this country.

Repeal the patriot act, and any other act which gives dictatorial powers, and oppresses the people.

It's really not too difficult to figure this stuff out. Just keep to your moral compass, and everything can easily be seen to be in or out of order with the people. What is out of whack, get rid of!

Originally posted by unityemissionsCake.

yes

Originally posted by unityemissionsEnd corporate lobbying.

no

Originally posted by unityemissionsIn fact, end representational governance.

no

Originally posted by unityemissionsThe law was made before we had the tech to easily decide for ourselves. A system can be easily devised, and secured, so that we have the means to decide each step of our countries decisions, on a weekly basis.

End corporations being legally a "person". End the ability to so easily incorporate. Repeal NAFTA. Set up oversight for regulatory committee's by an independent source.

true and yes

Originally posted by unityemissions
END THE FED!! We can print our own money, and allow the world to decide at what rate it should be printed and of what value the people's currency holds.

no

Originally posted by unityemissions End all the taxes which don't benefit the people.

how do we know which are and which aren't?
dismantal CIA coment never exested XD

Originally posted by unityemissions Repeal the patriot act, and any other act which gives dictatorial powers, and oppresses the people.

Um... sure why not

Originally posted by unityemissions It's really not too difficult to figure this stuff out. Just keep to your moral compass, and everything can easily be seen to be in or out of order with the people. What is out of whack, get rid of!

So if I give you the hypothetical situation that you have a choice between torturing one to save ten, but it feels morally out of whack we shouldn't save the ten?

sorry for the yes/no Cake is yummy, corporate lobbying helps both sides (though I'll admit that I wouldn't miss it), representational government is good since most people refuse to give the proper amount of time to learn politics (though that makes representation a double edged blade, corporations being people is a psin, but don't make them stronger as a result , printing your own money leads to inflation problems and a tradigy of the commons in that I will print more money if you let me, patriot act is useful, but I wouldn't miss it, we can already have our president legally end the world without congress.

I've been mad as hell for years now, and I have yet to find more than a couple people outside of ATS that even suspect something sinister is going on in higher levels of government and society.

How can I stay mad, when everyone else is complacent? Really, I try hard to change things but it does seem as of lately that there are just fewer and fewer people who would actually pay our cause any attention.

Stay pissed my friends! That may be all we have left.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by amc621

 

Cake.

End corporate lobbying.

In fact, end representational governance.

The law was made before we had the tech to easily decide for ourselves. A system can be easily devised, and secured, so that we have the means to decide each step of our countries decisions, on a weekly basis.

End corporations being legally a "person". End the ability to so easily incorporate. Repeal NAFTA. Set up oversight for regulatory committee's by an independent source.

END THE FED!! We can print our own money, and allow the world to decide at what rate it should be printed and of what value the people's currency holds.

End all the taxes which don't benefit the people.

Dismantle the NSA & CIA. They serve their masters, which don't serve the people of this country.

Repeal the patriot act, and any other act which gives dictatorial powers, and oppresses the people.

It's really not too difficult to figure this stuff out. Just keep to your moral compass, and everything can easily be seen to be in or out of order with the people. What is out of whack, get rid of!

Cake? I don't get it. You talking about the music group Cake?
Repeal NAFTA??? Why? Do you know what NAFTA is and what it covers??
Repeal the patriot act? Why? This doesn't opress people. If you want to do this, how do you look and find terrorist?

Who are the masters of the NSA and CIA?

reply to post by amc621


Thats my very point sir, yes I can put it in to words - but my idea's will differ from everyone elses at least a little. So instead of trying to agree 100% on what changes we should make, we should first just get mad and axe the current system - because nobody will ever agree enough to make the change, we just need to agree the current system does not work, then we can remove it and then whatever new system is installed can have the same scrutiny applied to it, this over time leads to better government because the government makes sure it is working for the people or they get the boot. I think we are almost to smart for our own good these days, we all have opinions and they all differ from others where back in the day people were frustrated because of the conditions placed on them, their people got mad first and focused on rebuilding later - I am suggesting we do the same because as much as pre-planning seems like the smart thing to do in reality it just leads to disagreement and division amoungst the people and change never happens.

reply to post by byteshertz


Maybe, I don't think this is a pre planning thing. I think this is a question that should be answered, I fear that many want change, just for change sake. I think there are many posters on here that just "shout" about how things suck, but they have no idea what they do want. If you put down what you would like, that doesn't mean a plan is in place, just a goal of where you would like to go.

Tearing down with no idea of what to do when the demolition is done is EXACTLY what position we are in Iraq, and that's why we don't pull the f out of there.

Still would like to hear what you would like the changes to be.

reply to post by byteshertz


Well, I prefer the original conservatism more, you know: not just chucking the old system, but rather focus your rebellions and such at perfecting the existing system such that you can't loose all your current progress. Basically the American revolution helped the US allot more than the French revolution helped the French. It is always better to find a new system first, and be cretin that it is better before you make the world burn first from thoughtless rage.