posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 03:49 AM
I would also add that oppression does create "pride movements" because in oppression, one is meant to feel like crap about oneself in mutual agony
with others of his externally-imposed or internally-recognized group.
Let's get some issues clear about Hispanics. The name itself is related to the language only. The colonial language of the countries from which the
people we call "hispanics" hail from was and has been Spanish. Spanish are white, of varying mixes of German stock, Latin stock, Celtic stock, North
African stock and Basque and other pre-Roman stock.
Hispanics in the Americas are for the most part not any one stock at all. In certain regions they are more likely to be more prevalently one genetic
group or another, but this is on an individual to individual basis, it's not like 1000s of years have gone by for them to homogenize their genetic
traits. The Spanish themselves, upon arriving in the Americas to mix and mingle with the various natives were not even homogeneous.
From Colorado to Tierra del Fuego, Argentina, there is no uniformity other than the colonial language. Argentinians are largely Italian and
German,aside from Spanish and some indigenous roots. Chileans, too. Paraguayans are mostly bilingual (Guarani speakers) and most have some degree of
Guarani blood in their veins. Peruvians and Bolivians have various Andean tribes mixed with the random Japanese or Chinese ancestry thrown in for good
measure. Colombians and Venezuelans have European ancestry, native ancestry, and SubSaharan (Black) African ancestry. Head up through Central America
and you get into Mayan and Aztec cultures, as well as numerous others that are not even related to those two major groups. As well as some African
heritage and European heritage other than Spanish (which, we have already seen is not one thing either).
It's a hot mess.
Hispanic pride does NOT exist outside of immigrant movements in the US, where it has largely been monopolized by Mexicans (coming out of oppression
from the Farm Workers' movements) and the Puerto Ricans (relating to independence struggles).
If this is the case, it is much more appropriate to say: Mexican Pride (which is already problematic because even Mexicans are NOT all one "race")
or Puerto Rican pride.
Black Pride is also a struggle, stemming from slavery, Jim Crow and further oppression. In the US, Black pride has centered, naturally, around Black
people, who do, insofar as large populations spread out over large areas can, and do have a unique culture. This culture is itself a blend of various
SubSaharan, West African cultures and European and Native American traditions. Black Pride would be ridiculous in Africa itself, or do you have a way
of explaining how so much tribal and ethnic strife coming out of the post-colonial collapse can possibly jive with a unified Black Pride.
In the Caribbean, the same forces are at work, so Black Pride (Negritud or Negrismo) has developed in Cuba, Haiti, Martinique, etc. Of course, the
common link is again slavery, but other than that Angela Davis and Aime Cesare have only some similarity of cultural traits. The "Pride"
similarity,as it stems from slavery itself, is the one unifying force in the two movements.
So, in a sense, (so-called - because we all have to face the facts that there is Native American blood coursing through a lot of our veins) European
Americans are really the top of the food chain in America. We do have a Pride movement, it's called Patriotism. The Blacks and the Natives and the
"Hispanics" and "Asians" in this country who are all "American" straddle an odd line between acceptance/belonging and marginalization/becoming
an "other". As such, it is only natural that the non-mainstream culture or phenotype, in their oppression and marginalization, would, over time,
develop various "Pride" movements.
You are suffering from a lack of vision. Your "White" Pride is all around you at all times. It's called American Patriotism. It doesn't stand out
because you would never expect status quo to stand out. How could something run-of-the-mill stand out?
What we are finding is the multiculturalism, for all its purported good, really does have an ironic notion to it. In exalting that which is different,
the status quo feel less unique, less special and they lash out at those who are special and exalted for their uniqueness.
I think the only real resolution to all of these so-called racial, mostly cultural issues that the OP, others and most "White" Americans have - as
well as to the oppression faced by African Americans and other non-mostly-pure-Northern-Europeanish Americans would - ...the only real solution is
total inbreeding by all American citizens until genetic uniqueness is not so clumpy and becomes more of a continuum from coast to coast, border to
But this requires time, though I can see it's starting to happen every time I see interracial couples. In fact, it officially started to happen when
Italians and Irish started marrying or when Germans and Hungarians started to marry...this was a beginning of shedding ethnic differences.
Brazil is about a bit ahead of us in this respect, so more and more down there you see people who can rightfully be called "Brazilian", not just
this or that percentage of Native American, Portuguese, African, Lebanese, Polish or Japanese ancestry. Eventually we'll get there...give it time.