The Taliban Call a Time-Out

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Why are the Afghan people your enemies Hunka Hunka?

They are not, the Taliban is

Must not be any Afghanis in the Taliban then..

Your local congressman & his party leader are more your enemy than some dirt urchin who doesn't want TPTB telling him how to live.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Would it not be better to demand the government stop waging wars with your tax dollars?

reply to post by mobiusmale


" My point of view is that the Afghan people are not our enemy. The Taliban, Al Qaeda and other extreme Islamic groups inside and outside of Afghanistan are our enemies. "

Not mine. They're strangers who haven't done anything to me. I can't blame them for not wanting TPTB to be in charge of their country, can you?..

I think the idea bringing TPTB to Afghanistan is tantamount to bringing "freedom" is utterly hilarious.

"Welcome to the Federal Reserve lifestyle sir, you now need 23 permits to run your farm.. in addition you're required to pay us rent, er property tax. We took the liberty of issuing you all your permits and bought you a new fully loaded Chevy truck full of Monsanto seeds.. using your property as down payment.. We're setting up DUI, Donkey Under Influence, checkpoints and cameras for your safety.. all un registered Donkeys will now be towed, take your flu shot, never-mind the chem-trails... and fear & obey who we tell you to.. Welcome to American Freedom sir!, now get ta work!"

Originally posted by deltaboy


The military should keep up the pressure by attacking in Pakistan with drone attacks before they can recover to launch attacks early next year. Winters are times of rest and recovering from their losses. Perfect time to reach out in villages that are controlled by the Taliban to remove their influence. As well as take on any leftover Taliban fighters still in Afghanistan while the rest are resting in Pakistan.

www.newsweek.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

It is game over for US, if it wasn't it wouldn't orchestrate a desperate fake negotiation attempt.

It was also exposed that the imposter was brought forward by the M16, proving that the whole scheme was planned, what ever the intention of the plan was, is yet to be known, but one thing we do know, the occupying forces are in desperate grounds.

A group of 17 ground commanders recently traveled to the Pakistani frontier city of Quetta to meet with one of their top military chiefs, Abdul Qayum Zakir, say four Taliban officials who didn’t want to be named for safety reasons.

www.newsweek.com...#

The fact of the matter is, this has been the tactic of insurgency for a long time now. The attacks always decreased in Winter.

The above news is just more desperate attempts by the occupying forces, it is called a psychological warfare.

why is it not acceptable for them to be his enemy because they have something he wants?

reply to post by PETROLCOIN


Thats your opinion alright, but try not to look like an idiot if another attack happened to come originally from Afghanistan. Remember that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are allied together. They ain't gonna give up just cause we withdrew. Heck we weren't even in Afghanistan in the first place until 9/11. So it doesn't really matter.

reply to post by oozyism


Oh I'm sorry so what the Taliban is doing is also psychological warfare and they are not really winning right?



Since the Taliban likes to post videos just like we do, then they must be really losing.

But you admit that America is incapable of capturing Bin Laden, or restoring hope to the Afghan people - since you've done neither.

Yet our SAS were extremely close to capturing him.

Strange?

The most wanted guy in the world, the guy 'allegedly' behind 9/11 - and you Americans let him go.

Strange?

Real nice use of your taxes. Even better considering you've done a worse job than the soviets too.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


Attacking American soil will also fuel attacks just like 9/11. Attacking on embassies can also fuel attacks. I suggest you tell Al Qaeda and the Taliban to also stop killing civilians in Pakistan as well.

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by oozyism

 

Oh I'm sorry so what the Taliban is doing is also psychological warfare and they are not really winning right?

Since the Taliban likes to post videos just like we do, then they must be really losing.

Well the Taliban never pretended to negotiate.

Only the loosing side wants to negotiate

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross

 

Attacking American soil will also fuel attacks just like 9/11. Attacking on embassies can also fuel attacks. I suggest you tell Al Qaeda and the Taliban to also stop killing civilians in Pakistan as well.

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That is like Taliban suggesting Americans stop killing Americans./

Second line.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
But you admit that America is incapable of capturing Bin Laden, or restoring hope to the Afghan people - since you've done neither.

Yet our SAS were extremely close to capturing him.

Whats stopping you guys now?

reply to post by deltaboy


The Taliban did not carry out any attacks on American soil. And their attacks in Pakistan are Pakistan's problem. Considering Pakistan funded the Taliban, this can be seen as blowback.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
But you admit that America is incapable of capturing Bin Laden, or restoring hope to the Afghan people - since you've done neither.

Yet our SAS were extremely close to capturing him.

Strange?

The most wanted guy in the world, the guy 'allegedly' behind 9/11 - and you Americans let him go.

Strange?

Real nice use of your taxes. Even better considering you've done a worse job than the soviets too.

edit on 29-11-2010 by mr-lizard because: (no reason given)

Bin Laden lives in caves... He doesnt have an IP address or a PO Box. Its a little more difficult to capture somebody that lives like a nomad then it is to capture somebody with a registered home address. America has come closer then any other country on capturing Bin Laden time and time again.

Your SAS might have come close, but the result was the same as the numerous times America came extremely close. Lets not get into an argument about whose better.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I prefer the former... Your solution leaves the enemy alive...

We created the enemy, and every additional day we spend on their land, we make the enemy stronger.

I don't see the Taliban or Al Qaeda targeting Jamaica. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because they don't meddle in their affairs and act as the world police?

They are fighting us just as we would fight any one who invaded our land. I know in your mind anyone who doesn't submit to and obey the mighty USA is a terrorist and enemy, but believe it or not, we have no right to tell anyone how to run their country.

They attacked us (if we're going with the official 9/11 story, which I'm going to assume we are) because we have meddled in their affairs for decades. We need to end that BS now and mind our business. If we don't give them a reason to attack, they won't attack.

I am sorry, anyone who still believes Binladen is alive needs to share the award for most gullible person in the world. If you look into how sick he was in 2001 with kidney problems, and then think about how many dialysis centers there are in the caves of Afghanistan, I think it's painfully obvious that we are merely keeping the idea of Binladen alive to promote rhetoric. The bad man needs a name and a face. We are protecting the poppy fields. keeping the heroin trade alive and well. have to fund those black ops projects somehow.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Thats your opinion alright, but try not to look like an idiot if another attack happened to come originally from Afghanistan.

So you're one of those people who believes that as long as we're over there no attack will occur over here?

Let me ask you a question...

If that logic is true, why the need for the curbing of civil liberties? Why do my phone calls have to be monitored? Why do I have to be molested at the airport? If, by staying over there, we are preventing an attack on our homeland, why should I sacrifice my civil liberties?

People like you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You justify the war by saying it prevents attacks, but then you support the curbing of civil liberties because it supposedly prevents attacks. Isn't that a bit redundant?

I'll let you in on a little fact so you can get a reality check: Being over there doesn't prevent an attack, it encourages one. The longer we occupy and bomb their homeland, the more determined they will be to attack ours.

Did you happen to see the news article recently where 90%+ men in a couple Afghan provinces had never heard of the September 11th attacks? What do you think is going through their heads when they see bombs being dropped on their towns and their people are being killed? Perhaps that we are the aggressor and our attack is unjustified? I would think so. It would be logical, wouldn't it? If you saw a foreign nation dropping bombs on your town and you knew of no reason why they would be doing that, you would think that too, wouldn't you? And you would probably even do the same thing those Afghan men are doing - join the resistance.

So what does all of that mean? It means the longer we remain over there, the more recruits we provide to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The more recruits we provide, the stronger they get. The stronger they get, the less safe we become.

Are the dots being connected in your head yet? Or is the FOX News-built neo-con wall holding strong?

reply to post by mr-lizard


The Afghan people are not our enemies. It is organized extremist groups like AQ that are our enemies - and they presently operate out of Afghanistan, as well as work closely with the theocratic oligarchy group formerly in control of Afghanistan (the Taliban). The people there were, quite literally, enslaved under this government and simply extorted to fund the economic interests of the Taliban regime.

We have already gotten involved in the affairs of that nation, and I personally know many within our military who have been there and who voluntarily return because they feel it is right to support the people there as they endeavor to improve their lives.

It is much like the bond I have established with the people of South Korea when I have served in that region. While I may stand out in a crowd of them and be clumsy in their culture - they are 'my people' as much as any American is. I would fight and die to protect them.

I cannot say I feel that way for the people of Afghanistan - I've not been there, it's not the corner of the world the Needs of the Navy have placed me in just yet. But I do understand the bond many of our soldiers establish with those people, and the bond those people establish with America through our soldiers.

It is a bond that most average people in America are, unfortunately, oblivious to. You have no idea how many cultures practically idolize ours (and, thankfully, choosing to ignore many of the negative aspects of our culture). It is even more amazing to see how they blend their own cultures with ours.

The Mafia, the Gangs, the Cartels,the Herion lords like the Khun Sah in the golden triangle.These are the enemy too....
The Corporations presently looting the entire world, and running rapacious over even goverments, and whole economies,These are the enemy too.....
The corrupt politicians, and the power mad generals, these are your enemy too.....
In this whole world who are your FRIENDS?
The only ones we can hope to count on are programmed zombies, who can no longer reason logically or think for themselves.....Somehow we have to reach those people, our fellow men and women.
That is the real battle, and that is where this world will be lost or saved from inevitable destructive wars which WILL arise given the situation we are persuing today.......

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by mr-lizard
But you admit that America is incapable of capturing Bin Laden, or restoring hope to the Afghan people - since you've done neither.

Yet our SAS were extremely close to capturing him.

Whats stopping you guys now?

What do you think?

Originally posted by Secularist
Your SAS might have come close, but the result was the same as the numerous times America came extremely close.

So on each of the "numerous" times that they came extremely close, your troops were called off and told to wait for...your troops? If so, what does that tell you?

It was the SBS by the way, I think this incident is being mixed up with a similar incident in Mosul where the SAS were refused the opportunity to capture Saddam's sons after conducting close reconnaissance on them. US commanders obviously thought that it was a better idea to spend 4 hours levelling the place, but yes let's not argue about who is better.